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Camunda Platform vs. IBM BPM
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Pros
"The number of client implementations and cross-language capabilities to support multiple frameworks is very pluggable compared to Pega. It's also more portable.""I think that the positives of Camunda Platform are that our customers can start with the free version. I think it is the most important.""It's user friendly, much better than most tools I have seen.""I love that Camunda is a very developer-friendly platform, and my customers have evaluated the pricing as reasonable.""The flexibility is great.""The most valuable feature is the scheduling.""Camunda Platform is better than IBM BPM, and Azure. It is more elaborate.""I can use any other tools to create services and the UI, and then use them together with the Camunda BPMN engine."

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"The most valuable feature for the organization is the Document Store.""The solution has helped us automate business processes.""This product does the job in terms of executing the workflow.""Setting it up is fairly easy. If somebody has knowledge of the system, he or she will be able to do it fairly quickly.""The installation was straightforward.""I liked its robustness the most. It was a very robust platform in my experience. It seemed like a very stable and powerful tool for handling lots of concurrent users and hammering at the system.""IBM BPM is both scalable and stable.""The solution is stable."

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Cons
"It lacks some preset features and configurations which would make it more plug-and-play for customers.""In terms of features, it meets my needs, but I would like Camunda to have an office in Brazil and provide training in Portuguese. They should provide regional support and training courses in Portuguese.""There are a few things that I'm missing. For instance, the user interface creator, which I know other systems have, like Aurea or Lombardi, which are IBM solutions. The interface creator, including the data model creator or some module which would allow the users who are not programmers or business consultants and who are not technically skilled in database and Java programming, to create data models and user interfaces.""Community support is basically what I'm looking for. Other than that, it is okay for now.""In the future, I would like to see better transactional integrity.""The cockpit features of the Camunda Platform can be improved to make it a bit more user-friendly, in terms of providing a bit more user experience for non-technical users. There could be some additional documentation added.""I have faced problems in bringing up the Cockpit in terms of GUI processes. I think that there is room for improvement in those areas.""In the future, I would definitely like to see the process administration (migration, audit, tracking) and process evaluation (optimize) features added to the community edition."

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"The configuration is not that easy, and the initial deployment took three months.""There needs to be better documentation for IBM BPM in a central place. There is not any standard documentation for each component available and has been a barrier for developers.""The stability varies because it involves a lot of other components like databases, so sometimes if something goes wrong there, it can't recover from the fatal errors.""Importing and exporting between multiple environments is more difficult with other tools.""IBM BPM lacks openness, that is, the ability to become open for new options in terms of APIs, front-end development, and ecosystem. IBM BPM has been quite closed. One of the main improvements would be to somehow embed the rules engine into IBM BPM. Merging IBM BRMS and the rules engine with IBM BPM would be helpful. If there was some simpler way to define rules without having to put IBM BRMS on top of it, it would be good. It's something that we can get out of Camunda but not out of IBM BPM.""The front end is not customised for a good user experience.""Our developers are complaining that it's too complex to maintain.""IBM BPM integrated with Spark UI and the UI is now much better, but they still need to improve the UI because competitors have predefined templates and other additional features. In these competitor's solutions, you are able to use the templates, map your data, and the form is ready to use. With this solution, you need to write a lot of code to have the same quality as the competitor's templates. It would be a benefit to make this platform more towards low-code or no-code."

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Pricing and Cost Advice
  • "The cost of this solution is better than some competing products."
  • "Licensing costs are anywhere from $80,000 to $100,000 USD per year."
  • "We use the open-source version, which can be used at no cost."
  • "I think Camunda BPM can improve their licensing costs. It isn't easy to find clients with Camunda BPM licenses mainly because it's quite expensive."
  • "When compared with the proprietary products, the pricing costs are much less, even though it is an enterprise edition."
  • "There is an open-source version available, that in its core features (workflow and decision engine, modeler) is exactly the same as in the enterprise version."
  • "Generally, the price could be better, as well as the licensing fees."
  • "We pay for the license of this solution annually."
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  • "Its price is on the higher side, and it can be improved. Its licensing is on a yearly basis. There are no additional costs."
  • "IBM could improve the price. It is far too expensive."
  • "I wish it was less expensive. I don't know why their pricing model is so high for a piece of software that could benefit so many. It just seems to me that they could have a lower cost, maybe with fewer features or whatever, but it should be possible to do a lower cost workflow software that uses the same interface and underlying engine but does not cost so much that you have to be a Fortune 50 company to buy it. It is annoying to me. There are a lot of solutions that IBM has that are really powerful but nobody can afford them. They know their business, but I still feel that there are a lot of customers who would benefit from this sort of thing. I don't know what this elitism is all about. I am sure they have people doing the money numbers, but it seems like you can make a lot more money by selling it to way more people for a little bit less."
  • "When considering the features of the solution the price is expensive compared to competitors."
  • "It's expensive. All software is always extremely high. The manufacturing cost that we have compared to the selling cost, it's not like you're building a house or building a car. But putting that aside, considering that it's expensive, it's a lot of money. If you compare it with some of the other alternatives in the market, it's a similar price. For instance, if you compare it with Pegasystems, it's a similar price."
  • "The price of the solution is fair for an enterprise solution that has both cloud and on-premise deployments and when comparing to competitors. Recently IBM has introduced Cloud Pak which allows for more flexible licensing options for automation and other features."
  • "Licensing is managed by the client, but we know it is yearly. Camunda is relatively cheaper. There is not much difference in pricing of IBM and PEGA. For large licensing, there are discounts as well."
  • "I already compared some solutions related to business process management, and I saw that the cost of IBM BPM is more expensive compared with that of Camunda, for example."
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    Answers from the Community
    Leandro Cruz
    Piotr Mazur - PeerSpot reviewerPiotr Mazur
    Real User

    Hi Leandro,


    those two BPM's shouldn't be compared on the functional level. They are different type of solutions. 


    Camunda offers the workflow engine and decission engine, where you can create process models according to BPMN and DMM standards. This gives you the flexibility and agility in the process management. It also gives you the tools to monitor, manage and optimize those processes.


    Camunda provides very limited functionalities, if it comes to end user interfaces. Usually they are built as custom applications or existing application are used. With Camunda projects you always focus on automation, that requires system integration and custom development and usually concerns core business processes.


    Camunda is an openAPI solution, which makes the integration fast and easy. It is a common situation in financial industry, that you have many systems, that need to be integrated in one process, that is why Camunda is so popular in this sector.

    Before you decide on the switch, you have to consider the processes you want to use it for. If this is for standard processes like holiday requests, invoice approvals etc. Camunda is not the best option. But if you want to automate sales or after sales processes, client/partner onboarding, claims management, debt collection you should definitely consider Camunda.

    I found once in Camunda documents an interesting comparison between Camunda and BPM suites:


    "On a blank canvas, an artist can paint a picture in exactly the way he imagines. Alternatively, there is the principle of “painting by numbers”, where even the artistic layman can create stunning images by coloring in predetermined areas. However, they can only create what was already pre-designed."


    And finally, Camunda is available as open source solution and there is no vendor lock.


    I hope it helped ;-) There is always an option to have a talk...


    Cheers,


    Piotr

    Catalin Paunescu - PeerSpot reviewerCatalin Paunescu
    Reseller

    You could have a look also on jBPM / jBPM based solutions (as an alternative to Camunda). 


    Camunda has limited capabilities in the community version. In the case of jBPM, the same capability set is provided in both the community and enterprise versions (the only difference is that with the enterprise version you pay for support).


    If you are looking for the jBPM engine combined with content services in one unified platform/user experience, you could have a look at SEAL (https://star-storage.ro/product/seal-online/).

    Questions from the Community
    Top Answer:One of the things we like best about Bonita is that you can create without coding - it is a low-code platform. With Bonita, you can build the entire mechanism using the GUI, it’s that simple. You can… more »
    Top Answer:Appian is fast when building simple to medium solutions. This solution offers simple drag-and-drop functionality with easy plug-and-play options. The initial setup was seamless and very easy to… more »
    Top Answer:Camunda Platform allows for visual demonstration and presentation of business process flows. The flexible Java-based option was a big win for us and allows for the integration of microservices very… more »
    Top Answer:We researched both IBM solutions and in the end, we chose Business Automation Workflow. IBM BPM has a good user interface and the BPM coach is a helpful tool. The API is very useful in providing… more »
    Top Answer:The solution has helped us automate business processes.
    Top Answer:In terms of licensing, we have to make it free for the developers so more people can install and use it. It is important to make at least licensing free to try in the cloud, not just for IBM BPM but… more »
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    Also Known As
    Camunda BPM
    WebSphere Lombardi Edition, IBM Business Process Manager, IBM WebSphere Process Server
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    Overview

    Camunda is the leader in process orchestration software. Our software helps orchestrate complex business processes that span people, systems, and devices. With Camunda, business users collaborate with developers to model and automate end-to-end processes using BPMN-powered flowcharts that run with the speed, scale, and resiliency required to compete in today’s digital-first world. Hundreds of enterprises such as Allianz, ING, and Vodafone design, automate, and improve mission-critical business processes with Camunda to drive digital transformation. To learn more visit camunda.com.

    IBM Business Process Manager is a comprehensive BPM platform giving you visibility and insight to manage business processes. It scales smoothly and easily from an initial project to a full enterprise-wide program harnesses complexity in a simple environment to better meet customer needs.
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    Sample Customers
    24 Hour Fitness, Accruent, Allianz Indonesia, AT&T Inc., Atlassian, CSS Insurance, Deutsche Telekom, Generali, Provinzial NordWest Insurance Services, Swisscom AG, U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, VHV Group, Zalando
    Barclays, EmeriCon, Banca Popolare di Milano, CST Consulting, KeyBank, KPMG, Prolifics, Sandhata Technologies Ltd., State of Alaska, Humana S.A., Saperion, esciris, Banco Espirito Santo
    Top Industries
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    Financial Services Firm23%
    Computer Software Company19%
    Comms Service Provider15%
    Government15%
    VISITORS READING REVIEWS
    Computer Software Company26%
    Comms Service Provider15%
    Financial Services Firm13%
    Government7%
    REVIEWERS
    Financial Services Firm56%
    Insurance Company14%
    Computer Software Company9%
    Real Estate/Law Firm5%
    VISITORS READING REVIEWS
    Computer Software Company24%
    Financial Services Firm20%
    Comms Service Provider16%
    Insurance Company5%
    Company Size
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    Small Business50%
    Midsize Enterprise22%
    Large Enterprise28%
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    Small Business17%
    Midsize Enterprise13%
    Large Enterprise70%
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    Small Business22%
    Midsize Enterprise10%
    Large Enterprise68%
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    Small Business14%
    Midsize Enterprise13%
    Large Enterprise73%
    Buyer's Guide
    Camunda Platform vs. IBM BPM
    July 2022
    Find out what your peers are saying about Camunda Platform vs. IBM BPM and other solutions. Updated: July 2022.
    621,548 professionals have used our research since 2012.

    Camunda Platform is ranked 1st in Business Process Management (BPM) with 31 reviews while IBM BPM is ranked 5th in Business Process Management (BPM) with 29 reviews. Camunda Platform is rated 8.2, while IBM BPM is rated 7.6. The top reviewer of Camunda Platform writes "Component reusability saves us development time, but the learning curve is too steep". On the other hand, the top reviewer of IBM BPM writes "A very stable and powerful tool for handling lots of concurrent users, but it is expensive, and the Eclipse-based tool has performance issues when you have a lot of developers". Camunda Platform is most compared with Apache Airflow, Pega BPM, Bonita, Bizagi and Appian, whereas IBM BPM is most compared with IBM Business Automation Workflow, Pega BPM, Appian, Apache Airflow and K2. See our Camunda Platform vs. IBM BPM report.

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