Technical Specialist IT at a energy/utilities company
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2020-01-23T14:20:44Z
Jan 23, 2020
In my opinion DD have better compression/dedup and also good aggregated replication speed, however it lack all functionality which is provided SP! Also as a hardware based solution we struggle with scaling up DD ! Comparison is not entirely possible since these are completely different purpose and usage ! In the environment we use DD as a disc storage for staging SP made backups!
IBM Spectrum Protect is a "Backup and Recovery" product, while Dell EMC Data Domain is the backup *storage* appliance. They have their respective market.
Though I must say that DD is the leader, while SP is a struggling product.. i.e there is no comparision.
Technical Business Development Manager with 51-200 employees
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2020-05-07T10:49:01Z
May 7, 2020
DD is deduplication target while IBM Spectrum protect is brand new name for and old and creepy TSM
The biggest difference is that you will not create complementary backup solution with DD only, you need some kind of backup software to do it for you.
TSM (or IBM Spectrum protect) can write backups to DD.
EMC Data Domain has an ecosystem for data management supporting several protocols and day structures. Best deduplication rate I have ever seen, full integration with RMAN for Oracle and VTL architecture and integration. The holistic view of data management and easy to deploy plus apply SLA and retention policies.
Also, it’s fast very fast! The platform is expensive and maintenance is not cheap so a client needs to prepare for this both capitally and operationally. The Platform can support other software not just their own Networker software, so very flexible.
IBM has lost market share in this space and as per clients feedback and Gartner, IBM is NOT a leader or visionary in this space.m
storage specialist at a tech services company with 501-1,000 employees
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2020-01-20T11:55:42Z
Jan 20, 2020
I would look at the way they dedup. DataDomain uses variable-length deduplication so they are very effective. I do not know anything about the IBM product, but we have dealt with IBM and in my opinion, the difference that is going to make the biggest impact is the way they sell TCO. EMC almost negatively impacts themselves by giving a more realistic and often more expensive quote, where IBM gives a seemingly cheaper solution, but later on, it works out more.
EMC Data Domain has an ecosystem for data management supporting several protocols and day structures. Best deduplication rate I have ever seen, full integration with RMAN for Oracle and VTL architecture and integration. The holistic view of data management and easy to deploy plus apply SLA and retention policies.
Also, it’s fast very fast! The platform is expensive and maintenance is not cheap so a client needs to prepare for this both capitally and operationally. The Platform can support other software not just their own Networker software, so very flexible.
IBM has lost market share in this space and as per clients feedback and Gartner, IBM is NOT a leader or visionary in this space in my opinion. EMC DD has also evolved to challenge the HCI players with their own IDPA (Integrated Data Protection Appliance).
All clients should look for:
- simplicity
- public cloud integration
- S3 and other relevant protocol integrations
- Native ransomware protection
- Ease of operations
- Cost reduction
- Hyper Visor agnostic approach plus containerization integration
I cannot help you with this subject. My knowledge about IBM Spectrum Protect is only theoretical, as I only plan to implement it, I never have the opportunity to touch a life system like this.
Hi community,
I work as a Sr. Information Officer at a Manufacturing company.
Currently, I'm looking to compare Dell PowerProtect DD (Data Domain) vs NetApp FAS Series.
Also, if possible, I'm looking to compare how they are both compared to Pure Storage.
Can you please share your inputs?
Thanks.
Responsabile Data Management DC Area Nord Ovest at a tech services company with 501-1,000 employees
May 31, 2022
I think they are different types of storage for different purposes.
If you are looking for a storage where to put backups data you can think Data Domain is the perfect choice because it is its main use (most or all the backup softwares have plugins in ordere to manage data domains).
If you are looking for a primary storage (where to put your servers' data) then you can look to Netapp FAS and Purestorage.
The latter are flash natives so it's simpler to manage and configure. If you look at the Netapp FAS you can also choose storages with HDDs with less performance (and a cheaper price).
@Dhruba Roy, your question conflates very different kinds of storage.
PowerProtect DD is Dell's latest version of Data Domain. It is ONLY useful as target storage for backups. Nothing else, not even archiving. If that is what you want, it does what it's supposed to do. Albeit, it's a bit pricey and underperforming.
There are much faster, cheaper, and more advanced backup target storage. Especially when measuring restore performance. I would suggest you take a hard look at a variety of backup target storage vendors including, Infinidat InfiniGuard, ExaGrid, Quantum, StorONE, iXsystems, and many more. Most backup target storage is all HDD although some are hybrid SSD and HDD.
NetApp FAS is a general-purpose storage system for blocks and files. It can be all HDD, hybrid HDD and SSD, or all SSD (all-flash FAS or AFF). It's a solid all around storage system with NetApp pioneered capabilities, but expensive as a backup storage target.
Pure Storage FlashArray//X or //C are block all-flash storage arrays. Their FlashBlades are all flash file and object storage systems. Good performers but overkill and way too expensive for backup target storage.
I think you need to define what it is you really need. Of the 3 vendors you asked about, I am going to repeat myself, PowerProtect DD is ONLY useful as a target storage for backups. The other two can do so, but are really not priced nor designed specifically for backup target storage.
If general purpose storage is what you need NetApp and PureStorage are good possibilities among many others.
Hello,
I'm planning to renew my Data Domain solution and I want to compare it with other products.
I use it for secondary storage of my backup and also for file sharing (SMB, CIFS).
What alternative products would you recommend?
I recommend Exagrid.
It is fast not only in the backup mode like DD but in recovery too. It keeps half of the capacity without dedup (Landing zone), which makes recovery of the last few backups really fast without the need to rehydrate fragmented data.
This is the reason why most backup solutions based on HDD, suffer low performance and require SSD's. Not that the Exagrid. Even the smallest box is able to fill 10Gb pipe in both directions.
If nondisruptive operations or FC or VTL is not your focus and a single controller solution is OK for you, I recommend trying it.
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The biggest difference is that Data Domain is an appliance storage system (SW + HW storage) but Spectrum is a software (licenses) solution only.
In my opinion DD have better compression/dedup and also good aggregated replication speed, however it lack all functionality which is provided SP! Also as a hardware based solution we struggle with scaling up DD ! Comparison is not entirely possible since these are completely different purpose and usage ! In the environment we use DD as a disc storage for staging SP made backups!
IBM Spectrum Protect is a "Backup and Recovery" product, while Dell EMC Data Domain is the backup *storage* appliance. They have their respective market.
Though I must say that DD is the leader, while SP is a struggling product.. i.e there is no comparision.
DD is deduplication target while IBM Spectrum protect is brand new name for and old and creepy TSM
The biggest difference is that you will not create complementary backup solution with DD only, you need some kind of backup software to do it for you.
TSM (or IBM Spectrum protect) can write backups to DD.
I would say to you that the two solutions are complementary, work harmoniously without any problem.
Thanks for reaching out.
EMC Data Domain has an ecosystem for data management supporting several protocols and day structures. Best deduplication rate I have ever seen, full integration with RMAN for Oracle and VTL architecture and integration. The holistic view of data management and easy to deploy plus apply SLA and retention policies.
Also, it’s fast very fast! The platform is expensive and maintenance is not cheap so a client needs to prepare for this both capitally and operationally. The Platform can support other software not just their own Networker software, so very flexible.
IBM has lost market share in this space and as per clients feedback and Gartner, IBM is NOT a leader or visionary in this space.m
I would look at the way they dedup. DataDomain uses variable-length deduplication so they are very effective. I do not know anything about the IBM product, but we have dealt with IBM and in my opinion, the difference that is going to make the biggest impact is the way they sell TCO. EMC almost negatively impacts themselves by giving a more realistic and often more expensive quote, where IBM gives a seemingly cheaper solution, but later on, it works out more.
EMC Data Domain has an ecosystem for data management supporting several protocols and day structures. Best deduplication rate I have ever seen, full integration with RMAN for Oracle and VTL architecture and integration. The holistic view of data management and easy to deploy plus apply SLA and retention policies.
Also, it’s fast very fast! The platform is expensive and maintenance is not cheap so a client needs to prepare for this both capitally and operationally. The Platform can support other software not just their own Networker software, so very flexible.
IBM has lost market share in this space and as per clients feedback and Gartner, IBM is NOT a leader or visionary in this space in my opinion. EMC DD has also evolved to challenge the HCI players with their own IDPA (Integrated Data Protection Appliance).
All clients should look for:
- simplicity
- public cloud integration
- S3 and other relevant protocol integrations
- Native ransomware protection
- Ease of operations
- Cost reduction
- Hyper Visor agnostic approach plus containerization integration
I don't have experience with IBM Spectrum Protect, but I do have experience with Data Domain.
I would recommend it. It's very stable, has high performance, and the highest deduplication engine.
I cannot help you with this subject. My knowledge about IBM Spectrum Protect is only theoretical, as I only plan to implement it, I never have the opportunity to touch a life system like this.