We are a make to order manufacturing company who is looking for production planning, capacity planning and scheduling software module. We have around 90 employees.
Please advise advise which solution is most suitable for our company. Thanks.
As per my exp please go with SAP
SAP suits for all industries and in future if at all you want to bring
any of the other business process, it have a feasibility to support
those modules as well
Unfortunately I have only limited know of business one.
This could work when you have 1 production line and 1 step production process. Otherwise you will need to do it outsite SAP , is possible to use other software!
Senior JD Edwards Functional Consultant at Critical Data Management (Pty) Ltd
Real User
2015-10-16T07:03:41Z
Oct 16, 2015
what is your current ERP system in place or dont you have one, what is your
total requirement, is it just for the modules above or must the software
supply you with Financials and SCM and the full ERP functionality .
The Infor Syteline is far ahead in terms of MRP & production module. The SAP B1 does not have a in depth production module and for that it relies heavily on third party SAP certified Add on. However these products may not be that flexible or scalable for complex requirement.
You questions is indicating that you should look for truly objective help in this selection. If you have 90 employees, SAP All-in-One is likely too big for you. You should look at SAP BusinessByDesign probably... Syteline is from a company size point of view the better fit and it has a strong advanced planning and scheduling component. As some people said gives good visibility into the schedule and implications of events if you need to replan. I think its user experience is the weirdest I have ever seen in an ERP. If you think about vendor viability and partner ecosystem you need to look elsewhere... buying an ERP is hard and you have to stick with it for a long time, so get the right neutral support to figure this out.
IT Manager at a manufacturing company with 501-1,000 employees
Vendor
2015-10-16T00:39:54Z
Oct 16, 2015
There are a lot of mid-market ERP's with great funcionality, like EPICOR and MacroPro. Here in these posts I've seen very good comments about Infor also. And there are also specialized vertical's like I2 Factory Planner, now JDA's Factory Planner, but I'm not sure if that's a mid-market solution suitable for you.
So, my recomendation is, since you are a make to order manufacturing company looking for production and capacity planning and schedulling with 90 employees and assuming your strategic plan doesn't have a 10x growth the next 3 years in it, and since your only asking about SAP and Infor, my recomendation would be NOT to go with the big ones, but with Infor.
But I think the real challenge is to oversee Infor's, or any other ERP your evaluating, native order receiving, planing, manufacturing and delivering processes, so you can assure those native processes are similar to your proceeses and you won't spend time and money customizing them.
Sr. Software Quality Consultant at a tech services company with 501-1,000 employees
Consultant
2015-10-15T19:17:27Z
Oct 15, 2015
There are plenty of vertical ERP options in this regard and instead of SAP I would recommend you buy a fully integrated well quality assured Vertical ERP solution.
Let me know what do you produce at your production facility and I can help you identify an appropriate solution.
Consultant at a mining and metals company with 501-1,000 employees
Vendor
2015-10-15T18:03:49Z
Oct 15, 2015
Look into Oracle JD Edwards. Although SAP is a fantastic tool to meet this
requirement there are a few point to remember:
- Your company size indicate that you might be interested in saving on
cost of ownership while getting the complete suite of functionalities
mentioned in your email. JD Edwards cost of ownership and implementation
cost is far less than SAP and competes with the best in the ERP market.
- Manufacturing is JD Edwards bread and butter, in addition to all the
integration to CRM, Distributions one could ever dream of.
- The flexibility of configuring the system to your business is endless
while running little risk for the need of customization.
- If you however chose to customized your system, JDE still offers a
set of very flexible tools to achieve this while protecting your
investment
and the maintenance of the ERP
I have been in the implementation of Oracle Manufacturing for Make to Order and Make to Stock industry and have experienced demos of SAP and Microsoft AX. ERP selection based on product solution cannot be the only criteria.The other factors to take in to considerations are implementation partner, company/ people culture in adopting the solution. Implementation partner for the same product differ drastically in their approach and solution to the business requirements.I will need to have additional information to answer the question.
Senior Account Manager at a tech services company with 51-200 employees
Consultant
2015-10-15T15:31:57Z
Oct 15, 2015
Hello,
I sell SAP you do not have a budget for it.
You will require a ERP with a good Manufacturing module. Or you may get away with simpler software, I know of software that is used in the consulting area, may do the trick. I would have questions before I could help you out. You can email me at joecie@katalysttech.com we could schedule a phone conversation.
I would recommend Syteline as it is a complete ERP for manufacturing and distribution which allows you to plan resources with APS. All the mfg requirements are already in the suite such as production, crm, financials, basic wms etc. No need to involve 3rd party apps to build a mfg ERP.
The rule of thumb in any implementation is the less you customize the less headaches, the lesser the expenses in the short and long run, but most especially, the ERP has to have what you need to grow with your business. Look long term rather than short term.
This is the reason why Infor has quite a number of ERP's and not just 1-3. Each ERP is recommended depending on the vertical. Syteline is highly recommended for mfg and distribution.
That`s interesting question! If there is someone who have tried both system, I`d like to see his opinion.
I don`t have any Infor ERP expirience, only SAP and a few others (like Asset Suite). So, if you choose SAP, then it is flexible and you can customise system as you want. But my experience says that only if you have streamlined process, then any ERP implementation will be successful. It is very important, that business owner should have clear business process and have clear idea of what kind of benefit ERP should give. And in that case, I think that it does not any much differences between Infor or SAP for IT-people like us. Any system can be customise as much as you want, I think.
Strategic Initiatives Leader at a transportation company with 10,001+ employees
Vendor
2015-10-15T12:36:32Z
Oct 15, 2015
Based on company size and function and without insight into budget constraints, I would recommend Infor. Having worked with both platforms, Infor is easier/faster to implement and maintain. I am not familiar with Infor's product roadmap, but you should feel comfortable with the future direction of the product before making a decision.
Hello, there is a lot more information required to make a suggestion but from what you have mentioned I can share some insight:
SAP A1 is a great solution but could be too big a solution for right now, it is a heavily coded solution with limited User based configurability.
Infor on the other hand may be affordable but it is not said to be strong in meeting scheduling needs of Make to Order companies.
Thirdly, keeping in mind training and on-boarding needs of your employees you must consider solutions that either provide training packages or have inbuilt training help while being on the job. For that matter, I'd recommend you look at either JD Edwards manufacturing solution or Oracle ERP cloud for manufacturing - it is flexible, user-friendly and inexpensive.
I'd like to ask are you as a company willing to adopt a Saas/ cloud solution?
I'd be happy to help further if needed.
All the best!
Based on the evaluation from the following requirement and assumptions on functionality and budget:
Purchasing Management
Financials and Accounting
Budgeting
Analytics and Reporting
Billing
Invoice management and generation
Schedule management
Payroll
Forecasting
Contract Management
Around 90 employees and
Budget - $25,000 - $50,000 etc.
I suggest Navigator One for SAP Business One.
Please let me know if you need further information
Solution Sales Manager SAP with 1,001-5,000 employees
Vendor
2015-10-15T12:00:44Z
Oct 15, 2015
The answer is not easy, without knowing more about the customer and their plans for the future.
I have to admit that I am rather biased towards SAP, because most of my professional life I’ve been dealing with SAP in the datacenter.
It certainly is suitable to talk about these two ERP solutions and compare their benefits. 90 users is neither too small nor too big for either package.
The prospect should look at what percentage of their processes can be implemented in each solution with no or minor modifications currently and what kind of functionality that they need
Will be provided by each supplier in the near future.
Senior Project Manager at a tech services company with 1,001-5,000 employees
Consultant
2015-10-15T11:59:35Z
Oct 15, 2015
Infor ERP SyteLine or SAP Business All-in-One?
I would choose Infor ERP. The reason for this is that this solution is precise, Agile and can tailored to your specific requirements. Its application is smoother and data replication from end to end is seamless. SAP’s production planning and MRP does not provide the ease with which SyteLine customers can predict movements and delivery. Infor ERP is highly customisable. In terms of scalabilty and application, SyteLine can be deployed across multi-sites in a multi-instance database instead of individual systems at each site.
CEO at a tech services company with 51-200 employees
Consultant
2015-10-15T11:47:23Z
Oct 15, 2015
Infor ERPSyte Line is best suit for Manufacturing Industries but the
scarcity in implementation teams will be a challenge. On the other hand SAP
B1 needs lot of customisation to suit to your manufacturing requirements as
this made for all industries, but you get the customisation and
implementation team easily.
Some more details will certainly help to give better opinion.
Hello community,
I am a Manager at a small tech consulting company. I am currently researching ERP solutions.
Which ERP solution is best for steel manufacturing?
Thank you for your help.
I would do a gap analysis and determine what is required by your company. Then look at the software depending on what the gap analysis tells you. It could be NetSuite, Epicor, or JD Edwards. All have their strengths and weaknesses. It depends on what is the best fit for your company. One other point, this should not be an IT project.
Hello peers,
I am the Deputy Head of SAP at a large tech services company.
I am planning on doing a global roll-out. Which is a better ERP approach for doing so: Big Bang or Phased?
Thank you for your help.
I will never do a mass rollout because you will not be able to minimize the impact or know what is the issue. I have been doing this since 1982 and a stair-step approach is always the best. It might take a little longer but the rework is more by doing a global approach.
A Big Bang approach involves implementing the entire ERP system all at once across all locations and departments, which can be more efficient and cost-effective in the long run, but also comes with a higher risk of disruptions and challenges.
A Phased approach, on the other hand, involves rolling out the ERP system in stages, starting with a pilot implementation in a specific location or department, and then gradually expanding to other areas. This approach can help minimize disruptions and allow for more targeted testing and fine-tuning, but may also be more expensive and time-consuming in the long run.
I will always prefer the Phased approach due to the lower risk.
Hi
Have you done a detail RFP based on your business processes.
I do not have a detail product knowledge on sap business one as of lately
My recent engagements are with microsoft dynamics and Oracle which has all
these functions
I believe both products that you are teferring too will have these features.
Looking at the size of the comapny i beleive any solution that you go
better be in an opex module on cloud
Thanks
As per my exp please go with SAP
SAP suits for all industries and in future if at all you want to bring
any of the other business process, it have a feasibility to support
those modules as well
Those two products are basicaly uncomparible. For mto i used m3
Unfortunately I have only limited know of business one.
This could work when you have 1 production line and 1 step production process. Otherwise you will need to do it outsite SAP , is possible to use other software!
what is your current ERP system in place or dont you have one, what is your
total requirement, is it just for the modules above or must the software
supply you with Financials and SCM and the full ERP functionality .
The Infor Syteline is far ahead in terms of MRP & production module. The SAP B1 does not have a in depth production module and for that it relies heavily on third party SAP certified Add on. However these products may not be that flexible or scalable for complex requirement.
As my experience in small scale to large scale industries SAP is the find best and good plateform, So go with SAP Business All-in-one will be good.
You questions is indicating that you should look for truly objective help in this selection. If you have 90 employees, SAP All-in-One is likely too big for you. You should look at SAP BusinessByDesign probably... Syteline is from a company size point of view the better fit and it has a strong advanced planning and scheduling component. As some people said gives good visibility into the schedule and implications of events if you need to replan. I think its user experience is the weirdest I have ever seen in an ERP. If you think about vendor viability and partner ecosystem you need to look elsewhere... buying an ERP is hard and you have to stick with it for a long time, so get the right neutral support to figure this out.
There are a lot of mid-market ERP's with great funcionality, like EPICOR and MacroPro. Here in these posts I've seen very good comments about Infor also. And there are also specialized vertical's like I2 Factory Planner, now JDA's Factory Planner, but I'm not sure if that's a mid-market solution suitable for you.
So, my recomendation is, since you are a make to order manufacturing company looking for production and capacity planning and schedulling with 90 employees and assuming your strategic plan doesn't have a 10x growth the next 3 years in it, and since your only asking about SAP and Infor, my recomendation would be NOT to go with the big ones, but with Infor.
But I think the real challenge is to oversee Infor's, or any other ERP your evaluating, native order receiving, planing, manufacturing and delivering processes, so you can assure those native processes are similar to your proceeses and you won't spend time and money customizing them.
Excuse my english and mistakes.
Regards,
AF
There are plenty of vertical ERP options in this regard and instead of SAP I would recommend you buy a fully integrated well quality assured Vertical ERP solution.
Let me know what do you produce at your production facility and I can help you identify an appropriate solution.
Look into Oracle JD Edwards. Although SAP is a fantastic tool to meet this
requirement there are a few point to remember:
- Your company size indicate that you might be interested in saving on
cost of ownership while getting the complete suite of functionalities
mentioned in your email. JD Edwards cost of ownership and implementation
cost is far less than SAP and competes with the best in the ERP market.
- Manufacturing is JD Edwards bread and butter, in addition to all the
integration to CRM, Distributions one could ever dream of.
- The flexibility of configuring the system to your business is endless
while running little risk for the need of customization.
- If you however chose to customized your system, JDE still offers a
set of very flexible tools to achieve this while protecting your
investment
and the maintenance of the ERP
I have been in the implementation of Oracle Manufacturing for Make to Order and Make to Stock industry and have experienced demos of SAP and Microsoft AX. ERP selection based on product solution cannot be the only criteria.The other factors to take in to considerations are implementation partner, company/ people culture in adopting the solution. Implementation partner for the same product differ drastically in their approach and solution to the business requirements.I will need to have additional information to answer the question.
Hello,
I sell SAP you do not have a budget for it.
You will require a ERP with a good Manufacturing module. Or you may get away with simpler software, I know of software that is used in the consulting area, may do the trick. I would have questions before I could help you out. You can email me at joecie@katalysttech.com we could schedule a phone conversation.
Thanks Joe
None of them, Unit4 Agresso
I would recommend Syteline as it is a complete ERP for manufacturing and distribution which allows you to plan resources with APS. All the mfg requirements are already in the suite such as production, crm, financials, basic wms etc. No need to involve 3rd party apps to build a mfg ERP.
The rule of thumb in any implementation is the less you customize the less headaches, the lesser the expenses in the short and long run, but most especially, the ERP has to have what you need to grow with your business. Look long term rather than short term.
This is the reason why Infor has quite a number of ERP's and not just 1-3. Each ERP is recommended depending on the vertical. Syteline is highly recommended for mfg and distribution.
That`s interesting question! If there is someone who have tried both system, I`d like to see his opinion.
I don`t have any Infor ERP expirience, only SAP and a few others (like Asset Suite). So, if you choose SAP, then it is flexible and you can customise system as you want. But my experience says that only if you have streamlined process, then any ERP implementation will be successful. It is very important, that business owner should have clear business process and have clear idea of what kind of benefit ERP should give. And in that case, I think that it does not any much differences between Infor or SAP for IT-people like us. Any system can be customise as much as you want, I think.
Based on company size and function and without insight into budget constraints, I would recommend Infor. Having worked with both platforms, Infor is easier/faster to implement and maintain. I am not familiar with Infor's product roadmap, but you should feel comfortable with the future direction of the product before making a decision.
Hello, there is a lot more information required to make a suggestion but from what you have mentioned I can share some insight:
SAP A1 is a great solution but could be too big a solution for right now, it is a heavily coded solution with limited User based configurability.
Infor on the other hand may be affordable but it is not said to be strong in meeting scheduling needs of Make to Order companies.
Thirdly, keeping in mind training and on-boarding needs of your employees you must consider solutions that either provide training packages or have inbuilt training help while being on the job. For that matter, I'd recommend you look at either JD Edwards manufacturing solution or Oracle ERP cloud for manufacturing - it is flexible, user-friendly and inexpensive.
I'd like to ask are you as a company willing to adopt a Saas/ cloud solution?
I'd be happy to help further if needed.
All the best!
Could you please share the details to arunnair.itsec@gmail.com , i will give you a proper solution for this query..
Based on the evaluation from the following requirement and assumptions on functionality and budget:
Purchasing Management
Financials and Accounting
Budgeting
Analytics and Reporting
Billing
Invoice management and generation
Schedule management
Payroll
Forecasting
Contract Management
Around 90 employees and
Budget - $25,000 - $50,000 etc.
I suggest Navigator One for SAP Business One.
Please let me know if you need further information
Thanks
Please give your details in described manner on brc301189@gmail.com so I can give you proper evaluation for your query.
The answer is not easy, without knowing more about the customer and their plans for the future.
I have to admit that I am rather biased towards SAP, because most of my professional life I’ve been dealing with SAP in the datacenter.
It certainly is suitable to talk about these two ERP solutions and compare their benefits. 90 users is neither too small nor too big for either package.
The prospect should look at what percentage of their processes can be implemented in each solution with no or minor modifications currently and what kind of functionality that they need
Will be provided by each supplier in the near future.
Infor ERP SyteLine or SAP Business All-in-One?
I would choose Infor ERP. The reason for this is that this solution is precise, Agile and can tailored to your specific requirements. Its application is smoother and data replication from end to end is seamless. SAP’s production planning and MRP does not provide the ease with which SyteLine customers can predict movements and delivery. Infor ERP is highly customisable. In terms of scalabilty and application, SyteLine can be deployed across multi-sites in a multi-instance database instead of individual systems at each site.
My advice is to go and really see the systems in action, preferably at a site as similar to yours as possible.
Sorry I am an oracle applications specialist so biased to their products.
For 90 employees oracle will be way too expensive.
Maybe also have a look at Hansaworld.
Infor ERPSyte Line is best suit for Manufacturing Industries but the
scarcity in implementation teams will be a challenge. On the other hand SAP
B1 needs lot of customisation to suit to your manufacturing requirements as
this made for all industries, but you get the customisation and
implementation team easily.
Some more details will certainly help to give better opinion.