Most of the customers don't even know that they are more secure. It's like they expect to be secure, but the moment we have a big threat from the outside, they will see and they will know that we are far faster and better able to protect them and react to threats from the outside. Cisco Secure has saved us time, especially the SecureX platform has helped us to automate certain processes and do analytics. That prevents us from taking each individual part of the logging. They have the intelligence in there to do the first check for us, and that saves a lot of time. There is a reduction in operating expenditures but not only from the Secure perspective. Our full stack is based on Cisco, so we leverage the full integration part of that. We have our compute, we have our networking, and we have our security, and that makes it easier because you have less interfaces with different products. From a technical perspective, I would rate it quite high for securing our infrastructure from end to end. From a behavioral perspective, in terms of the end customers leveraging it, there's still a little bit of work to do because we need to help the end customers to be more aware of what they're doing. On the endpoint for a user, they don't exactly see what is happening. From a visual perspective, you also want to have a feeling that you're safe or you get some tips or tricks to be safer, but for the most important part, which is the technical part, I would rate it very high. We really trust Cisco.
