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Pentaho Data Integration and Analytics vs SAP Process Orchestration comparison

 

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Review summaries and opinions

We asked business professionals to review the solutions they use. Here are some excerpts of what they said:
 

Categories and Ranking

Pentaho Data Integration an...
Average Rating
8.0
Reviews Sentiment
6.7
Number of Reviews
61
Ranking in other categories
Data Integration (9th)
SAP Process Orchestration
Average Rating
8.2
Reviews Sentiment
6.8
Number of Reviews
35
Ranking in other categories
Business-to-Business Middleware (7th)
 

Mindshare comparison

Pentaho Data Integration and Analytics and SAP Process Orchestration aren’t in the same category and serve different purposes. Pentaho Data Integration and Analytics is designed for Data Integration and holds a mindshare of 1.7%, down 1.7% compared to last year.
SAP Process Orchestration, on the other hand, focuses on Business-to-Business Middleware, holds 3.9% mindshare, down 7.3% since last year.
Data Integration Mindshare Distribution
ProductMindshare (%)
Pentaho Data Integration and Analytics1.7%
Informatica Intelligent Data Management Cloud (IDMC)3.7%
SSIS3.7%
Other90.9%
Data Integration
Business-to-Business Middleware Mindshare Distribution
ProductMindshare (%)
SAP Process Orchestration3.9%
SEEBURGER Business Integration Suite10.3%
IBM Sterling B2B Integration Services9.4%
Other76.4%
Business-to-Business Middleware
 

Featured Reviews

Michelle Lawson - PeerSpot reviewer
Principal Software Engineer at a tech vendor with 10,001+ employees
Streamlines complex data workflows and has supported automated customer payment notifications
I haven't used Pentaho Data Integration and Analytics in a couple of years, so I don't know how it can be improved. I was pretty pleased with it and was self-taught on it, working a lot with their team at various times, but they were surprised that I was able to learn it all by myself. The documentation is not bad, and documentation is the main thing that any product can do to make themselves better because the easier it is to find examples of what you're trying to do improves the learning curve. I think it took me the longest to learn how to do the asynchronous processing and have things wait for other things to finish processing before continuing on in the workflow. I choose 8 out of 10 because the one reason that it's been rejected at T-Mobile is that everything has to go through a provisioning process and has to get approved, meaning the actual code base has to be investigated by T-Mobile before they'll allow us to use tools of that nature. For whatever reason, we just haven't been able to get that approval; I don't know if it's on Pentaho Data Integration and Analytics' side or if it's on our side. The more you can make it easier for companies to feel comfortable that your product is secure, robustly tested and bug-free, and free of any other kind of negative hacks, the more quickly it will get accepted.
Vasanth Kumar Sabaapathi - PeerSpot reviewer
Senior Lead Architect at a manufacturing company with 1,001-5,000 employees
Simplified integrations bring flexibility and efficiency to diverse industries through comprehensive features and robust support
SAP is already trying to make improvements for SAP Process Orchestration by releasing updates every quarter, including patches and modules, and from a security standpoint, while it's a tightly coupled tool, they are introducing a lot of enhancements aligned with current market trends. There are standard contents readily available for starting integrations, which suit around 90% of every industry across verticals including pharma, manufacturing, and employee data central with SuccessFactors integration. Regarding functionality-wise improvements in SAP Process Orchestration, they are now incorporating the Salesforce system. Previously, we needed to rely on a third-party adapter for integration within SAP, but now they are building their own adapters to connect with Salesforce. Additionally, there are options like data connectors using Ariba coming up with SAP Process Orchestration. There's much more to explore, especially as they release new patches, enhancements, and adapters each quarter.

Quotes from Members

We asked business professionals to review the solutions they use. Here are some excerpts of what they said:
 

Pros

"We are very productive today thanks to that piece of software integration our data and the platform serving the processed data to our users."
"Anyone thinking about an ETL product, if they want high productivity on data cleaning and data movement, Pentaho Data Integration, in my opinion, is the best tool."
"The abstraction is quite good."
"It's very simple compared to other products out there."
"It has a really friendly user interface, which is its main feature. The process of automating or combining SQL code with some databases and doing the automation is great and really convenient."
"We have seen at least 30% savings in terms of effort, which has helped us to price our service and products more aggressively in the market and win more clients."
"Sometimes, it took a whole team about two weeks to get all the data to prepare and present it. After the optimization of the data, it took about one to two hours to do the whole process. Therefore, it has helped a lot when you talk about money, because it doesn't take a whole team to do it, just one person to do one project at a time and run it when you want to run it. So, it has helped a lot on that side."
"When we get a question from our CEO that needs a response and that requires a little bit of legwork of pulling in from various market data, our own in-house repositories, and everything else, it allows me to arrive at the solutions much faster than having to do it through scripting in Python, coding, or anything else."
"SAP Process Orchestration has all the features that are necessary."
"The solution makes it easy to solve integration problems."
"SAP Process Orchestration is middleware where we are able to manage and interact with everything from a single location. One of the most beneficial areas is monitoring which is very easy because it is all in one place. There are many adapters added recently that can be used for new functionality. The solution is easy to operate and it is more mature than the cloud solution provided by SAP."
"With the migration into the new version, the performance has improved and our customers are pleased with this improvement."
"I think it is a very stable tool. My company did not have any problem with the tool."
"It provides essential features such as continuous monitoring of all interfaces are crucial for our needs."
"SAP is the best solution for them to integrate with many other third-party systems or other VRP systems."
"The stability of the product is very good; there are no bugs or glitches, it doesn't crash or freeze, and it's reliable."
 

Cons

"Lumada could have more native connectors with other vendors, such as Google BigQuery, Microsoft OneDrive, Jira systems, and Facebook or Instagram. We would like to gather data from modern platforms using Lumada, which is a better approach. As a comparison, if you open Power BI to retrieve data, then you can get data from many vendors with cloud-native connectors, such as Azure, AWS, Google BigQuery, and Athena Redshift. Lumada should have more native connectors to help us and facilitate our job in gathering information from these new modern infrastructures and tools."
"Its basic functionality doesn't need a whole lot of change. There could be some improvement in the consistency of the behavior of different transformation steps. The software did start as open-source and a lot of the fundamental, everyday transformation steps that you use when building ETL jobs were developed by different people. It is not a seamless paradigm. A table input step has a different way of thinking than a data merge step."
"The technical support does not reply in a timely manner. The support they have in place does not work very well."
"Its UI is probably a bit too confusing for that level of user, so it doesn't allow us to get the tool as widely distributed across the organization to non-technical users as much as we would like."
"Stability is a bit of an issue. The GUI quite often ‘freezes’ and there is no alternative to killing the session."
"Regarding the features, I find many issues using Pentaho Data Integration and Analytics when working with different environments, especially development environments and production environments, where I have faced many issues working with two environments."
"Parallel execution could be better in Pentaho. It's very simple but I don't think it works well."
"The product itself is great, the biggest downside in my opinion is that it is hard to find (hire) people with expertise."
"It is scalable and it requires some maintenance."
"SAP Process Orchestration could improve from an API standpoint. This is not an API management tool, which is one of its drawbacks. However, SAP has released an SAP Cloud Platform Integration which has all of the features, such as API management along with process integration to replace what they had previously."
"We encounter challenges while connecting to MQTT and MQDD adapters."
"Some configurations can be a little tricky."
"The main issue is that these products, which evolved from Process Integration to SAP Process Orchestration, will be replaced and will have no support in the future."
"The company has come out with a new version, SAP Cloud Integrator, which is not as good as the older version."
"The monitoring governance offered by SAP is too technical; only the consultants that have technical skills or development skills are able to manage this product."
"The solution is not very scalable because it is at the end of its life."
 

Pricing and Cost Advice

"I think Lumada's price is fair compared to some of the others, like BusinessObjects, which is was the other thing that I used at my previous job. BusinessObject's price was more reasonable before SAP acquired it. They jacked the price up significantly. Oracle's OBIEE tool was also prohibitively expensive."
"If a company is looking for an ETL solution and wants to integrate it with their tech stack but doesn't want to spend a bunch of money, Pentaho is a good solution"
"We are using the Community Edition. We have been trying to use and sell the Enterprise version, but that hasn't been possible due to the budget required for it."
"I primarily work on the Community Version, which is available to use free of charge."
"For most development tasks, the Enterprise edition should be sufficient. It depends on the type of support that you require for your production environment."
"When we first started with it, it was much cheaper. It has gone up drastically, especially since Hitachi bought out Pentaho."
"We did a two or three-year deal the last time we did it. As compared to other solutions, at least so far in our experience, it has been very affordable. The licensing is by component. So, you need to make sure you only license the components that you really intend to use. I am not sure if we have relicensed after the Hitachi acquisition, but previously, multi-year renewals resulted in a good discount. I'm not sure if this is still the case. We've had the full suite for a lot of years, and there is just the initial cost. I am not aware of any additional costs."
"There is a good open source option (Community Edition)​."
"Looking at market conditions, vendors nowadays are giving products at very low price levels. However, SAP Process Orchestration have not yet reduced their prices. The prices could be reduced a lot to stay competitive."
"The product is not a low-priced solution, but I can say that it is competitively priced in the market."
"My company deals with different pricing models of the product, according to which we don't pay for the solution directly, but we do pay for the maintenance part."
"The cost of SAP products is quite high but the quality is really good."
"Normally, you will have to choose CPU-based licensing...I rate the tool price a five out of ten."
"The fee for maintenance is costly."
"The license is a one-time payment, and additional costs are only incurred on the infrastructure side since it's an on-premise solution."
"The pricing for this solution is fine."
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Top Industries

By visitors reading reviews
Financial Services Firm
16%
Educational Organization
9%
Construction Company
8%
Manufacturing Company
7%
Manufacturing Company
11%
Computer Software Company
10%
Construction Company
8%
Comms Service Provider
7%
 

Company Size

By reviewers
Large Enterprise
Midsize Enterprise
Small Business
By reviewers
Company SizeCount
Small Business18
Midsize Enterprise17
Large Enterprise32
By reviewers
Company SizeCount
Small Business8
Midsize Enterprise3
Large Enterprise26
 

Questions from the Community

Which ETL tool would you recommend to populate data from OLTP to OLAP?
Hi Rajneesh, yes here is the feature comparison between the community and enterprise edition : https://www.hitachivantara.com/en-us/pdf/brochure/leverage-open-source-benefits-with-assurance-of-hita...
What do you think can be improved with Hitachi Lumada Data Integrations?
In my opinion, the reporting side of this tool needs serious improvements. In my previous company, we worked with Hitachi Lumada Data Integration and while it does a good job for what it’s worth, ...
What do you use Hitachi Lumada Data Integrations for most frequently?
My company has used this product to transform data from databases, CSV files, and flat files. It really does a good job. We were most satisfied with the results in terms of how many people could us...
What is your experience regarding pricing and costs for SAP Process Orchestration?
The price for SAP Process Orchestration is a little high when compared to market trends, which is just how the business is. I would rate it an eight.
What needs improvement with SAP Process Orchestration?
SAP is already trying to make improvements for SAP Process Orchestration by releasing updates every quarter, including patches and modules, and from a security standpoint, while it's a tightly coup...
What is your primary use case for SAP Process Orchestration?
The main use case for SAP Process Orchestration is that it's an SAP proprietary tool which integrates within SAP and outside SAP. It's the most familiar middleware tool which is used for integrations.
 

Also Known As

Hitachi Lumada Data Integration, Kettle, Pentaho Data Integration
SAP NetWeaver Process Integration, NetWeaver Process Integration
 

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Sample Customers

66Controls, Providential Revenue Agency of Ro Negro, NOAA Information Systems, Swiss Real Estate Institute
Lenovo, Dansk Supermarked A/S, Ego Pharmaceuticals Pty. Ltd, Kaeser Kompressoren
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