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Question: EMC VNX vs HPE 3PAR Flash Storage, which is better?
Answer: Pros EMC VNX Multi-tiering positively affects the efficiency of the storage space. The replication feature provides another functionality to protect your data. The implementation of both block and file system storage in a single GUI provides is better situated than most other storages. From my point of view, the configuration that I can sell is restricted to the EMC best practices. It is hard to make a mistake in a solution. It means the configuration has good performance and scalability options. It is very stable even during multiple power failures. Integration with VMwareFAST (auto-tiering): Doesn't require configuration and is managed by the array itself. The most valuable feature is the tight VMware integration, due to the migration from bare metal to virtualized environments and then on to the cloud. HPE 3PAR FLASH Storage: Scalability, because our customer is fast growing and our solution should be able to start very small and grow very quickly. The chunklet technology is the main benefit out of 3PAR. The way it subdivides. It is using more logic to subdivide the drives into smaller pieces. With our 3PARs, we have never lost data. With the new flash arrays, 3PAR has improved our performance. The new StoreServ Management Console (SSMC) tool is more user-friendly.HPE can log in, fix things, alert us to things, and upgrade. We are there and aware, but we do not do the work. So, that is good.3PAR is easy to keep running and does not require too much effort. It has been very reliable, which is key. The scalability is good because it is easy to add to new disks. We just add them on the fly, and they are available for use. Cons If the VNX had embedded encryption, that would be great. The scalability is average because the storage has some hardware limitations and, obviously, operating system limitations. It would be very helpful to get an automated report that shows you the size of the checkpoints and get warnings when a checkpoint is reaching either maximum capacity per a file system or hitting the ceiling on the SavVol pool consumption. The administrative console (Navisphere/Unisphere) needs some improvement, especially on their Java-based GUI. The updated version of Java is not compatible.VNX can improve by offering flexible upgrade options. It's not possible to add a single HDD to a current array and there are fixed rules to make upgrades. EMC VNX needs to support bigger SSD and the Next Generation EMC Unity does this. Poor connection to FC.Intel Xeon processors with under 2 GHz processing speeds could be replaced with more recent ones. Security is a mandatory feature because our customer needs to protect delicate information. I would like to see a faster Ethernet connection. Right now, it is 10G. If they could do multiple hundred gigs to speed up the transfer from the array to the servers, that would be good. We are trying to get away from Fibre Channel. We need additional enhancements to InfoSight, especially from a VM standpoint. Today, we can see in the Azure VM performance stats in 3PAR, but it is so huge, we can't just drill down on each and every VM and look at its performance. We are seeing that there are some enhancements which are required in the SSMC console. There are some features that we do not see in the dashboard. There are some weird things that we can't figure out. I would like to see the ability to be able to migrate to newer versions of the 3PAR without having to take any of our data offline and be able to upgrade on the fly. We would like to see better support for iSCSI.A lot of tasks, you have to manually set up. They need to already have them set up and working. Then, you can just go in and tweak them if you need to. Pricing and Cost Advice Reducing dependency on JavaServer Pages (JSP) could improve the administrative overhead. The initial pricing and licensing are reasonable, the yearly EMC is more expensive pricing is somewhat higher, especially in Zambia, perhaps due to the low sales volume. Over time, VNX has become pricier than its competitors, and we have turned enthusiastically to Unity. While EMC tends to be on the expensive side, the stability and support of their products are top-notch and I feel are worth the cost. Make sure you understand how the licensing works and that you are getting the right set of licenses if you need array-to-array replication. The initial pricing and licensing are reasonable. Yearly EMC is more expensive. Making the decisions to buy it can be complex. Since the prices of the flash storage have gone down tremendously, I would definitely recommend going for the all-flash storage array or 3PAR. It is a bit expensive even now, but it will be the future of all industries. You can't get software maintenance from a third party. You have to do it from HPE, which is a letdown.3PAR was quite a bit less money than EMC, and that was one of the deciding factors. We had to go back and purchase iLO licenses and brocade switches for the flex fabric to have a complete solution. Cost-wise, it is a little bit on the higher side, but it is an awesome product. We are going to buy eight nodes this year and eight nodes next year. Eventually, we are not going to want to buy large storage devices and probably utilize just storage, but in a different manner going forward. From my EMC point of view, I choose it by habit, greater renown, and advantages over the SCSI support and because I've worked more with EMC.
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  • "We paid for five years of support when we purchased the product."
  • "The SSD is a little bit expensive."
  • "This is not an expensive product but every time you add capacity to it, you need to pay for re-balancing."
  • "Its price is a bit high for adding another tree, but when we purchased it, it was okay with us. We had compared it with EMC and other solutions, and it was okay at that point in time. Our storage has a lifespan of seven to eight years. When you purchase it, you need to keep a headroom of around 40% to 50%. After three to four years, you generally plan for an upgrade. The price is not so bad today for two years or so, and within a year, I might find that I have to upgrade or increase the storage. This usually happens when there is a radical change or a new application has come that is consuming a lot of data, but generally, there is a plan for the amount of data that we generate and the storage upgrade."
  • "It is lower in price as compared to other vendors, such as Dell. As compared to Huawei, all storage solutions are expensive, including this one."
  • "It is a bit more expensive. IBM is cheaper than HPE in Turkey."
  • "This solution is expensive. We pay every year for support. It's a lump sum because we pay for data center support services, and everything is included in one."
  • "The cost is reasonable given that the licensing is all included once you purchase it."
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    Nurit Sherman
    reviewer357684 - PeerSpot reviewerreviewer357684 (Technical Architect at a computer software company with 10,001+ employees)
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    Having significant experience with both products, here is what I would suggest. Before we begin the comparison the first point to note is that EMC is deprecating/stopping the sales of the VNX and if it is an all-flash solution you are looking for, then the modern equivalent of the VNX would be the EMC Unity. So any discussion around the VNX would be moot. Having said that, HPE has invested significantly in 3PAR and has tweaked 3PAROS to be flash friendly in terms of being optimized for flash. Next HPE has been a pioneer in terms of a providing a thin guarantee (benefits you will gain from thin provisioning) which is worth exploring. Next as one user has observed, its ability to break data/IO into chunklets and manage it at that granularity makes it very efficient in terms of capacity management as well as tiering. Further, HPE maintains 3PAROS as a single platform across its entire Storserv model range. With VNX, you are still relying on RADI-5,6 etc, HPE uses RAID-MP which is comparable to Netapp’s RAID-DP which is double protection without the ridiculous backend writes penalty of RAID-6. With the VNX, while you have the option of using Mirrorview and VNX Replicator, most enterprises go with Recoverpoint for all intent and purposes as it is a phenomenal product but an added cost. 3PAR replication is strong and its peer persistence (metro clustering) is a strong capability as well. In short, for this comparison the answer would be 3PAR. Hope this helps.

    Chaan Beard - PeerSpot reviewerChaan Beard
    Reseller

    Actually the answer is neither. VNX and 3Par are both technology best described as yesterday's hero. Look instead to another HPe product called Nimble A series AFA or the AccelStor AFA series. AccelStor are actually delivering frightening performance in their P710-SLED platform which delivers over 400K Mixed load IOPS, has 69TB effective capacity and is fully VMware VAAI integrated and certified for an MSRP of $49,995.00.

    Either are so easy to install 8 year old kids can do the job without much head scratching going on.

    AccelStor does not charge by capacity and comes with all the software you need baked into the price and this includes snaps, clones, mirrors and full replication capability.

    HPe 3PAR and Dell EMC VNX platforms come with capacity based licenses and replication pushes the costs up through the stratosphere.

    Between Nimble and AccelStor for the reporting capability the Nimble is very nice but you also pay extra for those nice reporting capabilities, but it is good.

    AccelStor gives you what you need to know, no nonsense style - basic reporting but they are working hard currently on new features that bring them up to par with Nimble's fantastic reporting engine.

    3Par and VNX are not true All Flash Array platforms by the way, they are Hybrids that accommodate both spinning disk and All Flash SSD. Nimble A series and AccelStor's entire range are purpose built all flash arrays with operating systems designed to cater for all flash only.

    www.accelstor.us is their website. Enjoy!

    it_user251871 - PeerSpot reviewerit_user251871 (Storage Administrator at a manufacturing company with 10,001+ employees)
    Vendor

    In my humble opinion, I would choose the all-flash array.
    Optimization feature in HP 3PAR array is really cool and it does work and there is a replication feature in the HP array too, however, the most bang for your buck is the all-flash storage.
    You get the speed and reliability needed as well as fewer hardware calls as SSD disk don’t fail nearly as often as a spinning disk.

    reviewer836586 - PeerSpot reviewerreviewer836586 (Plant Supervisor at a energy/utilities company with 10,001+ employees)
    User

    Very hard to say which is better.

    We have 3PARs working great for last 3 years and we have VNXes just started using (1.5 years).

    3PAR shows stability and wide support possibilities in Kazakhstan.

    In other hand we bought VNXes as parts of VBlocks and we procured with advanced support. Be honest in 1.5 years of using VNXes we had 0 cases (even no disk failure).

    Depending on roadmap (strategy) and possible storage demands I'd suggest to look for hyper converged engineering systems.

    SachinDewan - PeerSpot reviewerSachinDewan
    User

    In my opinion, both VNX and 3PAR have already played their role and are EOL. While considering storage refresh, consideration should be made between scale-OUT or scale-UP products. With Scale-UP storage, the system consists of a pair of controllers and multiple shelves of drives. When you run out of space, you add another shelf of drives. Scale-up architecture is limited to the scalability limits of the storage controllers. On the other hand, Scale-out refers to Direct Attached Storage (DAS) architectures.
    If considering scale-up architecture, you may choose between HPe Nimble or DELL Unity. Both these have better integration with VMware and also backup products like Veeam, Backup exec etc

    On the other hand, technology is moving towards HCI(Hyper-converged infrastructure) i.e more inclined to Scale-out architecture. Each scale-out device is equipped with server,storage and network capabilities.

    Now, coming back to the original question, I have used VNX5300 unified storage and by-far impressed with its performance and integration with VMware. The Unisphere interface is easy to use. With Storage replication you can have a complete DCDR setup. Features like FAST cache really enhance performance of storing and accessing data.

    it_user272385 - PeerSpot reviewerit_user272385 (Technical Sales Engineering Manager at a manufacturing company with 10,001+ employees)
    Vendor

    I have used both and worked for EMC and HP. It really comes down to cost and skill sets. HP 3PAR is a totally different animal. It is very easy to use and get started fast. Does not take a lot of training to get an understanding of the product. Cost is very cheap.

    EMC VNX is an older model. Unity replaced VNX so you should watch the warranty and support model if you are now just considering buying one. VNX is, in my opinion, a little harder to understand and it takes more steps to allocate the storage to the server than the 3PAR. Some of the replication features can be complicated but overall it is a solid product and Dell EMC support is much better should something go wrong like recovering data. You will pay more for a Dell EMC product. I would compare costs and look at how you plan to use it closely.

    Best regards,

    BunyaminTasdemir - PeerSpot reviewerBunyaminTasdemir
    Real User

    I Only used Violin and Purestorage all flash units.
    I used 3PAR but is had SAS and SSD drives only.
    In my opinion, Violin is first and Pure Storage is the second best all-flash unit

    reviewer281076 - PeerSpot reviewerreviewer281076 (Director of Technology Services at a educational organization with 201-500 employees)
    Real User

    We own both Nimble and 3Par units. Nimble is great in management but in terms of expandability you better get it right the first time. By that I mean when you purchase the appliance, you better make sure you size the storage properly because it requires all slots to be filled (it doesn't matter if you are on A or C series. On the 3Par units you have 24 HD slots, you can fill it with all SSDs or mixture of SSDs and traditional HDs in multiples of 4 drives slots at a time. The main reason HPE bought Nimble is that they wanted Nimble's management software.

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    Overview

    HPE 3PAR StoreServ is an AI-driven storage solution that prevents issues before they occur by learning and adjusting in real time. The solution offers a tier-1 all-flash foundation for mission-critical workloads. HPE 3PAR StoreServ was designed with more than 3M IOPS and consistent sub-ms latency. It aims to transform midrange and enterprise deployments with solutions that scale from a few TBs to more than 20PBs. In addition, the solution is built to modernize data centers and is made to handle unpredictable workloads effortlessly. By implementing HPE 3PAR StoreServ, you gain automated and rapid provisioning, hardware-accelerated deduplication and compression, and a multi-tenant design.

    HPE 3PAR StoreServ Features

    HPE 3PAR StoreServ has many valuable key features. Some of the most useful ones include:

    • Flexibility: With HPE 3PAR StoreServ, you can easily deploy highly configurable, scale-out storage for multi-tenant workloads.
    • Always-on availability for your data: HPE 3PAR StoreServ includes an always-on resilient storage infrastructure for your hypervisors and applications. In addition, with Peer Persistence, your virtual machines (VMs), hosts, and data can move freely across data centers rather than being constrained by their physical boundaries.
    • Fast, scalable performance: HPE 3PAR StoreServ enables you to accelerate consistent mixed-workload performance and also provides necessary QoS levels that are optimized for your highest priority applications.
    • Performance insights: HPE 3PAR StoreServ helps you gain performance insights in real time, and anticipate as well as prevent issues across the infrastructure stack by utilizing cross-stack analytics.
    • Flash optimized data protection: With tier-1 data services, multi-tenant security, and copy data management, you can avoid downtime.
    • Seamless data mobility: HPE 3PAR StoreServ makes it possible for you to not only experience converged data protection, but also experience seamless data mobility services, at flash speed, from the edge to the cloud.

    HPE 3PAR StoreServ Benefits

    There are many benefits to implementing HPE 3PAR StoreServ. Some of the biggest advantages the solution offers include:

    • Easy to manage. The web interface to manage the units is a great asset and one that makes managing storage easy.
    • User-friendly GUI
    • Exceptionally fast and well-managed replication

    • Low latency
    • Hybrid storage gives you the ability to assign different roles to different types of storage arrays inside one enclosure
    • Both file-level and block-level replication

    Reviews from Real Users

    Below are some reviews and helpful feedback written by PeerSpot users currently using the HPE 3PAR StoreServ solution.

    A SAN Consultant at a tech services company says, “One of the features that I like the most is the data replication element. The reason I like it is due to the fact that it's pretty clean on replicating data over to a second site. The product stands on its own in heavy enterprise environments. It's easy to make changes without affecting the environment. The solution is very easy to use. The product is very robust and offers very good performance.”

    A Storage Manager at a financial services firm mentions, "There are a lot of screens for easy management where you can change some settings. But after a few years, the important settings were better after an upgrade, and all the vendors have other ways to upgrade their systems."

    A Senior IT Infrastructure & Data Center Operation Engineer at Ministry of Communications and Information Technology (MCIT) comments, “The adaptive optimization is the biggest feature in 3PAR. 3PAR is very usable with thin volume because it detects zeros while writing. Every time I tell the hypervisor to make the full provisioning, it makes the volume as simple provisioning in 3PAR, not full provisioning.”

    With EMC VNX you'll have the right blend of flash, capacity, and application-aware software. Scale up storage for midrange workloads, optimized for virtual applications and cloud environments.
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    HPE 3PAR StoreServ is ranked 1st in Modular SAN (Storage Area Network) with 41 reviews while VNX [EOL] is ranked unranked in Modular SAN (Storage Area Network). HPE 3PAR StoreServ is rated 8.4, while VNX [EOL] is rated 0.0. The top reviewer of HPE 3PAR StoreServ writes "Robust and easy to use with a simple setup ". On the other hand, HPE 3PAR StoreServ is most compared with HPE Primera, Dell Unity XT, HPE Nimble Storage, NetApp AFF (All Flash FAS) and Pure Storage FlashArray, whereas VNX [EOL] is most compared with .

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