We're writing SQL queries for the verification process, and we're using SAP master tables for tables. We write huge queries for processing data.
Database Expert with 51-200 employees
Very good for real-time data processing however, it's not currently feasible to store the whole multi-terabyte DW
Since its introduction in 2011, SAP tries to push HANA very heavily and there is a lot of marketing buzz over this new product. For a freelance consultant focused on SAP Sybase database products, like me, it is next to impossible to ignore HANA in year 2013. So, I decided not to rely to marketing slogans and check what HANA is, what it can do, and, importantly, what HANA is NOT. I put my first impressions to this blog post; hopefully other HANA-related posts will follow. Note that I’m not a HANA expert (yetJ) and I’m writing these rows as a person with a lot of experience with IQ and some other RDBMSs and trying to learn HANA.
So, why to compare HANA and IQ? Both are designed for data warehouse environment, both are column-based (with some support of row-based data), both provide a data compression out-of-the-box and highly-parallel. Years ago, much like SAP for HANA today, Sybase claimed that IQ processed data so fast that aggregation tables are not really needed, because the aggregations can be just performed on-the-fly. Well, experience with a number of big projects showed me how problematic that statement was, and it is only a single example.
According to SAP, the strong point of HANA is its ability to utilize CPU cache , which is much faster than accessing the main memory (0.5 - 15 ns. vs. 100 ns.). Currently, IQ and other Sybase RDBMSs lack this capability. Therefore, I decided to build a test environment which allows performing of queries that answer a number of conditions:
- The query should be performed fully in memory , otherwise it is not fare to compare IQ and HANA. In HANA, queries are executed fully in memory, once relevant columns are loaded into the RAM.
- The query should perform a lot of logical I/Os and should be hardly optimizable using indexes. Otherwise, the effect of using CPU cache may be not clear enough.
- The query should take at least a number of seconds to finish. Since both IQ and HANA (very unfortunately) don’t provide the number of logical I/Os performed by a query, we may compare response times only . If the query finishes in small milliseconds, the comparison of response times may be problematic.
Some notes about the test environment:
For IQ, I used 16-core RHEL server with hyper-threading turned on (32 cores visible to OS) and 140GB RAM
available. I used IQ 16.0 SP01 for my tests.
For HANA, I had to use HANA SPS6 Developer Edition on a Cloudshare
VM, which provides HANA on a Linux server with 24GB RAM. However, only
19.5 GB
is actually available from the Linux point of view (free –m output) and
most of
this memory is allocated by various HANA processes. In fact,
less than 3GB
RAM is available for user data in HANA
. I only wish that SAP would allow us
to download HANA and install it on any server that answers to HANA’s
requirements for CPUs, but it seems that the SAP’s policy is to distribute HANA as a
part of appliances only, so I don’t expect free HANA download any time soon.
This brings us to an additional requirement for the test: the test dataset should be relatively small , because of severe RAM restrictions imposed by HANA Developer Edition on Cloudshare.
Finally, I decided to base my tests on a relatively narrow table that represents information about phone calls (for those involved in Telecom industry, it is like short and very much simplified CDRs). Here is the structure of the table:
create table CDRs (<br>
CDR_ID unsigned bigint, -- Phone
conversation ID
<br>
CC_ORIG varchar(3), -- Country code
of the call originatior
<br>
AC_ORIG varchar(2), -- Area code of
the call originatior
<br>
NUM_ORIG varchar(15), -- Phone number
of the call originatior
<br>
CC_DEST varchar(3), -- Country code
of the call destination
<br>
AC_DEST varchar(2), -- Area code of
the call destination
<br>
NUM_DEST varchar(15), -- Phone number
of the call destination
<br>
STARTTIME datetime, -- Start time of
the conversation
<br>
ENDTIME datetime, -- End time of
the conversation
<br>
DURATION unsigned int -- Duration of
the conversation in seconds
<br>
);
I developed a stored procedure that fills this table in SAP Sybase ASE row-by-row according to some meaningful logic and prepared delimited files for IQ and HANA. The input files are available upon request. At first, I planned to run tests on a dataset with 900 million rows, but I finally discovered that I have to go down to 15 million rows because of the VM memory limitations mentioned above.
Important note about the terminology. In IQ, inserting of the data from a delimited file into a database table is called LOAD, and retrieving of the data from a table to a delimited file is called EXTRACT. In HANA, the inserting is called IMPORT and the retrieving is called EXPORT. The term LOAD in HANA has a totally different meaning – it means loading of a whole table, or some of its columns, to the memory from disk, when the data is already in the database.
IMPORT functionality in HANA is not similar to IQ, at all. Actually, it contains two phases: IMPORT and MERGE. During the first phase, the data is imported to a “delta store” in an uncompressed form. Then, the data from the “delta store” is merged into “main store”, where the table data is actually resided. The merge is performed automatically, when a configurable threshold is crossed (for example, the size of the “delta store” becomes too big). To ensure that the imported data is fully inside the “main store”, a manual MERGE may be required. The memory requirements during the MERGE process are quite interesting, maybe I will write about it in a different post. It is pretty much possible that you will be able to IMPORT the data, but will not have enough memory to MERGE it; it happened to me a number of times during my tests. I would recommend you to read more about HANA architecture here: http://www.saphana.com/docs/DOC-1073, Chapter 9.
Given the significant difference between the test systems (a powerful dedicated server for IQ vs. small VM for HANA), I didn’t plan to compare the data load performance between IQ and HANA. However, so far I see HANA performing the IMPORT using not more than 1.5 core of 4 available, thus underutilizing the available hardware. The MERGE phase, though, is executed in a much more parallel way. The bottom line is that IQ seems outperform HANA in data loading, possibly quite by far. I will probably return to this topic in one of following posts, additional tests with larger dataset are required.
Now, we come to the data compression. Since IQ and HANA approach the indexing quite differently, I chose to compare the compression without non-default indexes in both IQ and HANA. It appears that IQ provides better data compression and needs 591M to store 15,000,000 rows, while HANA needs 748M to store the same data. HANA provides a number of compression algorithms for columns, which are chosen automatically, according to the data type and data distribution. However, it seems that neither of compression algorithms offered by HANA contains LZW-like compression used by IQ. I’d prefer to test the compression on a more representative data set (15,000,000 is way too small) and play with different HANA compression algorithms. I hope one of future posts will be dedicated to this topic.
Finally, the data is inside the database and we are ready to query it. To answer the test conditions mentioned above, I chose the following query:
select
<br>
a.CDR_ID CDR_ID_1, b.CDR_ID CDR_ID_2,
<br>
a.NUM_ORIG NUM_A, a.NUM_DEST NUM_B, a.STARTTIME STARTTIME_1, a.ENDTIME
ENDTIME_1,
<br>
a.DURATION DURATION_1,
<br>
b.NUM_DEST NUM_C, b.STARTTIME STARTTIME_2, b.ENDTIME ENDTIME_2,
<br>
b.DURATION DURATION_2
<br>
from CDRs a, CDRs b
<br>
where a.NUM_DEST = b.NUM_ORIG
<br>
and datediff(ss, a.ENDTIME, b.STARTTIME) between 5 and 60
<br>
order by a.STARTTIME;
This query finds cases when a person A called person B and then the person B called person C almost immediately (in 60 seconds). This query has to perform a lot of logical I/O by its very definition. With my test data set, this query returns 31 rows.
In IQ, this query takes 6.6 seconds while executed fully in memory and when all relevant indexes are in place. The query uses sort-merge join and runs with relatively high degree of parallelism, allocating about 60% of 32 CPU cores available.
In HANA, the same query takes only 1 second with no indexes in place ! Remember, that in my tests HANA is running on a small VM with just 4 virtual CPU cores! The query finishes so fast that I cannot measure the degree of parallelism. Creation of indexes on NUM_ORIG and NUM_DEST reduces the response time to 900 ms.
A note about indexes in HANA: HANA offers only two index types and, by default, it chooses the index type automatically. In my tests, I have found that indexes improve query performance in HANA, sometimes significantly. Unfortunately, I have not found any indication of index usage in HANA query plans, even when some indexes were used by the query for sure. The role of the optimizer statistics in the query plan generation is also not very clear to me. I hope to prepare a separate post about query processing in HANA, stay tuned!
Another amazing and totally unexpected finding in HANA – index creation on NUM_DEST (varchar(15)) takes 194 ms. Index on DURATION (int) is created in 12ms!
My conclusions so far:
- HANA in-memory processing is not just about caching, it is much more than that. HANA allows us to achieve incredible performance for resource-intensive queries. Things that seem impossible with other databases, column-based or row-based, may become possible with HANA.
- Loading of the data into HANA requires careful resource and capacity planning. Merging of the inserted data with the rest of the table may require much more memory that you have probably thought. Particularly, to perform the merge, both old and new version of the table should fit into memory.
- It is pretty much possible that storing of aggregations in HANA is not required indeed, at least in most of the cases. Of course, I need a more representive result set to verify it.
- IQ and HANA can be used together in the same system, where they can solve different problems and store different data. HANA is very good for real-time data processing, or for queries that must be executed very quickly. However, it is not feasible to store the whole multi-terabyte data warehouse in HANA's memory in most of the cases, at least not in year 2013. At this point, IQ enters into the game. It is very efficient in massive data loading and data storage, and can answer queries with less strict response time requirements very efficiently. In some scenarios, the raw data can be loaded into IQ, and then, after some refining inside IQ, imported into HANA.
Update: see IQ query plan for my test case here: Download ABC_15mln_fully_in_memory
Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
Process Mining Data Scientist (CELONIS) at a consumer goods company with 10,001+ employees
Provides perfect performance, but needs better user experience and stability
Pros and Cons
- "The feature that I like the most is that we can transport the data to our web data application. SAP HANA's performance is really perfect. We're working on big data, and SAP HANA is really working on high performance. We are happy working with it."
- "The user experience should be better. Its user interface is not good. I also don't like the transition concept."
What is our primary use case?
What is most valuable?
The feature that I like the most is that we can transport the data to our web data application.
SAP HANA's performance is really perfect. We're working on big data, and SAP HANA is really working on high performance. We are happy working with it.
What needs improvement?
The user experience should be better. Its user interface is not good. I also don't like the transition concept.
For how long have I used the solution?
I have been working in the SAP HANA environment for around two years.
What do I think about the stability of the solution?
We have experienced some glitches, and we are solving them with the help of our technical team.
How was the initial setup?
It is a bit complex, but if you follow the instructions, it can be installed. The initial setup could be easier.
What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?
SAP HANA is expensive, which isn't a problem for us because it is processing the data so fast.
What other advice do I have?
It is an SAP tool. Therefore, replicating the data from SAP to HANA is easy because it provides a high-performance area without overworking the SAP site. Working with big data is really nice in the SAP HANA database.
I would rate SAP HANA a seven out of ten. I took some points because of the pricing, user experience, and stability issues.
Which deployment model are you using for this solution?
On-premises
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Datawarehouse Lead | Data Engineer at a manufacturing company with 1,001-5,000 employees
Operates well, good functionality and usability
Pros and Cons
- "The solution operates well."
- "I would have rated the solution higher if this version was not missing some key features the newer version has."
What is most valuable?
The solution operates well. I had no problems with the functionality.
What needs improvement?
The current version we are using is lacking some unique features, we are upgrading to the newer version of this solution that has these features, S4 HANA.
What other advice do I have?
I would have rated the solution higher if this version was not missing some key features the newer version has. We are going to continue to use the solution.
I rate SAP HANA an eight out of ten.
Which deployment model are you using for this solution?
On-premises
Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
Senior Manager of IT at a government with 1,001-5,000 employees
Databases, Decisions and Disruption
By now most of us are well aware of the data explosion, that businesses are creating more data than they can effectively manage. This is not a new problem. Throughout history societies have always made efforts to create repositories to organize, analyze and store documents (recorded knowledge). Some of these ancient repositories still exist today in the form of “brick and mortar” libraries. But just like anything else in a consumer’s market, demand (Time-To-Solution) eventually becomes greater than the supply (Information Available/Accessible).
The global economy is currently undergoing a fundamental transformation. Market dynamics and business rules are changing at an ever increasing speed. Those responsible for keeping the company on track for the future have a massive need for high-quality data--both from inside and outside the company. Technology decision makers are facing the challenge of having to create infrastructures that leverage speed, scale and availability.
Data technology must assist in the removal of silos and support collaboration and the sharing of expertise across the company and with business partners. Successful companies will need access not only to their own "Data repository" but to data from various heterogeneous sources. Today, finding mission-critical data or even being aware of all potential sources is more a question of luck and intuition than anything else.
How important is your data to your organization? How does your organization use its data? How do they access and interact with it? Are the decisions being made from data, innovative or disruptive in nature? What’s the value and impact?
According to a Forbes article written by Caroline Howard, “People are sometimes confused about the difference between innovation and disruption. It’s not exactly black and white, but there are real distinctions, and it’s not just splitting hairs. Think of it this way: Disruptors are innovators, but not all innovators are disruptors — in the same way that a square is a rectangle but not all rectangles are squares”.
Database accessibility is critical for rapid but sensible, innovative and disruptive decision making. A business database management system must be able to processes both transactional workloads and analytical workloads fully in-memory. By bringing together OLAP and OLTPL to form a single database, your organization can benefit dramatically from lower total cost up front. Additionally, gaining incredible speed that will accelerate their business processes and custom application.
SAP HANA DB takes advantage of the low cost of main memory (RAM), data processing abilities of multicore processors and the fast data access of solid-state drives relative to traditional hard drives to deliver better performance of analytical and transactional applications.
Fusing SAP HANA with a scalable shared memory platform will enable businesses and government agencies running high-volume databases and multitenant environments to utilize high-performance DRAM that can offer up to 200 times the performance of flash memory to help deliver faster insight.
Here’s my analogy: players go to the “Super Bowl” for one of two reasons, to watch or participate. To be successful in today’s global market companies must effectively participate or risk being on the sidelines watching.
Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
CEO with 51-200 employees
Why HANA Is Important
I’m not a great fan of SAP, or Oracle for that matter, but SAP’s HANA architecture is an unexpected innovation from a company that is rooted in serving the dull administrative needs of large organisations. In a nutshell HANA is an in-memory database capable of handling very large amounts of data with frightening speed. This is very timely, and more importantly will serve the needs of organisations for decades to come. While the focus is currently on the ability of HANA to address real-time analytics, the capability offered by HANA will serve us as we move into the feedback and control (cybernetics) era which has yet to unfold.
The current preoccupation with all forms of analytics (data mining, statistics, text mining, optimisation) and big data are predicated on very fast database systems. Traditional disk based technology is typically too slow and SAP has taken a simple idea – placing all data in much faster memory – and made it a reality. The idea is simple, but making it a reality is not. HANA enables many forms of business activity that were simply not possible before – real-time recommendations for customers, real-time tracking of very large distribution networks – and so on. This alone is enough to make HANA important for many businesses.
On the horizon however, and virtually unseen by most commentators, is the need to implement real-time feedback and control systems. It’s all very well to analyse current activity, but at which point is action called for, and what type of action will rectify a situation? Recommending additional purchases to customers in real time might not be optimal, and the response rate might start to drop off. At what point is remedial action needed, and how should the algorithms be modified? This is where we are headed – not just analysis, but analysis of analysis – a level of awareness within systems.
Massive computing ability is needed and there simply is no way that slow disk based technology will deliver the goods. HANA is a foundation for this move into a brave new world – and there are no real alternatives. There is a saying in technology markets that ‘if it works it’s already obsolete’ – I would make HANA an exception to this rule. For many organisations it will be a solid investment that will see them move into an age of real-time, intelligent business systems. Who would have thought that such an innovation would come from a German software company rooted in dull software applications that serve the needs of business administration.
Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
Has good stability and an easy setup
Pros and Cons
- "The initial setup is straightforward. It usually takes around eight months but it depends on a customer's requirements. We can spend a month or two customizing."
- "SAP HANA is not strong like Oracle when it comes to finance. They are only strong with the logistic business project."
What needs improvement?
Compared to Oracle, the licensing could be better.
SAP HANA is not strong like Oracle when it comes to finance. They are only strong with the logistic business project.
For how long have I used the solution?
I have around 12 years of experience implementing SAP HANA.
What do I think about the stability of the solution?
It is stable.
What do I think about the scalability of the solution?
It depends on the enterprise, but the average enterprise has 20 employees. They buy two accounts to use the SAP S4HANA. It means that on average the enterprise will buy 20% to buy the license.
How are customer service and technical support?
So far technical support is good. If we have any problem that a local partner cannot resolve for the customer, they will write to SAP and support will help fix the problem.
How was the initial setup?
The initial setup is straightforward. It usually takes around eight months but it depends on a customer's requirements. We can spend a month or two customizing.
What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?
The SAP license fee is more expensive than other solutions like Oracle or Microsoft Dynamics.
What other advice do I have?
I would rate SAP HANA a nine out of ten. Not a ten because of the price.
Disclosure: My company has a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer: Implementer
CEO at a financial services firm with 1,001-5,000 employees
A scalable and stable solution with valuable features
Pros and Cons
- "All features are valuable."
- "They can improve their technology for the CRM subsystem. There are other products that are better and more effective for the CRM subsystem. Its price could be better. It is expensive."
What is our primary use case?
We have a lot of clients from different industries, such as factories and hospitals. We have deployed it on the cloud as well as on-premises for various clients.
What is most valuable?
All features are valuable.
What needs improvement?
They can improve their technology for the CRM subsystem. There are other products that are better and more effective for the CRM subsystem.
Its price could be better. It is expensive.
For how long have I used the solution?
I have been using SAP HANA for several years. I have been using it since they launched the HANA database.
What do I think about the stability of the solution?
It is stable.
What do I think about the scalability of the solution?
It is scalable. We have installed SAP HANA for around 15,000 users.
How are customer service and technical support?
I would say they are average. Sometimes, they are not able to answer our questions, or their answers come very late after we have already resolved the issue. They should be more familiar with the product.
Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?
We used our own product, which we developed on our own. After engaging SAP, we substituted our own product with SAP HANA.
How was the initial setup?
The initial setup was straightforward.
What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?
It is expensive.
What other advice do I have?
I would recommend this solution. We plan to continue using this solution for our clients.
I would rate SAP HANA an eight out of ten.
Disclosure: My company has a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer: Implementer
Technical manager at SAFE-SAS
Huge bandwidth and offers real time results
Pros and Cons
- "It has a very huge bandwidth and data transfer."
- "The solution is very expensive, however. The pricing depends on the number of users and many other factors that affect licensing."
What is most valuable?
It is a memory database that has all the content of the database. Once the database is turned on, it is loaded in the server RAM. It has a very huge bandwidth and data transfer. Once you try to do any queries against this database you can get the result very fast. You can get real-time output or results. This aspect is very helpful to me.
What needs improvement?
From the deployment-side, I don't have any issues with the solution and haven't heard of any problems from clients.
The solution is very expensive, however. The pricing depends on the number of users and many other factors that affect licensing.
For how long have I used the solution?
I implement this solution and I've been doing so since 2015.
What do I think about the stability of the solution?
It is very stable. I use the Linux operating system and find it to be quite stable.
What do I think about the scalability of the solution?
The solution is scalable. You have horizontal or vertical capabilities. You can upgrade the server itself in case the memory is at capacity. The resources of one server are not enough because it's big. According to your requirements, you can expand by adding more servers into one big cluster.
How are customer service and technical support?
I don't go through the official support team from SAP, but most of the time I use the website to find the answers I need. It's very detailed and most of the problems that I've faced in the past while handling the implementations I can find on the website or on the internet.
Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?
Before using SAP HANA, we used other SAP products.
How was the initial setup?
The initial setup is straightforward. For one system, the stand-down system, it will take about four to five days for implementation from scratch. I often handle implementation, so for me, it's straightforward because I have some experience in this area. You do need a skilled team. You have to understand many areas if you want to deploy it yourself. You have to have experience with the storage, the network, with operating systems, etc.
I know SAP itself recommends that you have to have a certificate or a certified person that can deploy SAP HANA.
What about the implementation team?
We are an integrator, so we handle the installation for clients.
What other advice do I have?
The SAP portfolio is huge. It covers all industries and fields. It is very wide horizontally or vertically. It has modules for all industries, fields, and for all departments: accounts, HR, production, they have a solution for each industry and for each department in any organization.
There are some applications that are very sensitive to the delay or the latency so for these types of applications I would recommend SAP HANA. However, if these are not concerns, there may be other database technologies that would be more cost-effective than HANA.
I would rate this solution eight out of ten.
Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.

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