We've got a very large install base with Cisco Wireless. We use it for a number of situations.
We use it in warehouses, retail branches, and offices.
Technology Architect at a construction company with 10,001+ employees
Reliable and robust, but needs simpler licensing and management
Pros and Cons
- "It is a reliable and robust solution. Access and Mobility Groups are useful. We don't use anything very fancy."
- "Its licensing has been very frustrating. There is also the complexity of managing the product. These are probably the two reasons why we're looking at Aruba. The way they license this product is not simple. There are some good features in the latest version, but there are additional license costs as well, which is frustrating for us. It is not really a feature issue for us. It really comes down to cost and licensing. They should make it a bit simpler to manage. We find the overall solution a little bit more complex than we would like to deal with. Its troubleshooting is a bit difficult, and it does require a high skill set. Comparatively, Aruba seems quite simple. One of the benefits of the Aruba product is that it is cloud-managed. We don't have to manage the management platform itself, whereas Cisco is on-premise. Its user interface could also be better."
What is our primary use case?
What is most valuable?
It is a reliable and robust solution. Access and Mobility Groups are useful. We don't use anything very fancy.
What needs improvement?
Its licensing has been very frustrating. There is also the complexity of managing the product. These are probably the two reasons why we're looking at Aruba.
The way they license this product is not simple. There are some good features in the latest version, but there are additional license costs as well, which is frustrating for us. It is not really a feature issue for us. It really comes down to cost and licensing.
They should make it a bit simpler to manage. We find the overall solution a little bit more complex than we would like to deal with. Its troubleshooting is a bit difficult, and it does require a high skill set. Comparatively, Aruba seems quite simple. One of the benefits of the Aruba product is that it is cloud-managed. We don't have to manage the management platform itself, whereas Cisco is on-premise. Its user interface could also be better.
For how long have I used the solution?
I have been using this solution for maybe 15 years.
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What do I think about the stability of the solution?
It is stable and reliable.
What do I think about the scalability of the solution?
It is scalable. There are no issues with scalability. We have approximately 5,000 users.
How are customer service and support?
They are very good. I am satisfied with their technical support.
How was the initial setup?
Over the last 15 years, we've done so many installations, and we've had them refreshed many times. We've also done installations in the last six months. It is in the middle in terms of complexity. It is neither straightforward nor too complex.
What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?
Its licensing is not simple. There are additional license costs for features, which is frustrating for us. There are some features that are included for free in the base Aruba product, but they are available at additional costs in this solution.
What other advice do I have?
I would rate Cisco Wireless a six out of ten.
Which deployment model are you using for this solution?
On-premises
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Telecom/Networking Analyst at a religious institution with 1,001-5,000 employees
Good coverage and security, and it's reliable
Pros and Cons
- "It's a reliable solution."
- "In this part of the world, support is the weak side of this solution."
What is our primary use case?
We use Cisco Wireless as part of our network infrastructure.
What is most valuable?
The wireless use is pure internet that allows access to guests, staff, and end-users. It doesn't require a lot of high-level features on the site.
We use the normal features that Cisco has, such as access controllers, security, and internet access for the users.
What needs improvement?
I am in the Middle East, in Isreal, and the problem that we have is with the support. It's not like Europe or America, which have better support. In this part of the world, support is the weak side of this solution. It is very difficult to get in touch with Cisco support if we need them.
I would like to have the option for on-premises support, rather than only having remote support available. This the biggest concern that I have because without on-premises support, we have to call another country for the best service.
For how long have I used the solution?
I have been using Cisco Wireless for two years.
What do I think about the stability of the solution?
It's a reliable solution.
What do I think about the scalability of the solution?
It's scalable, and as the company grows each year, it requires the network to grow as well.
We have 100 access points and approximately 300 to 400 users in our organization.
How are customer service and technical support?
There are only one or two companies in Israel that provide Cisco support as a third party. Support is an area that needs to be improved, at least regionally.
How was the initial setup?
The installation was done by the company. It was already complete.
What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?
The price for this product is a little bit high, which is why I am not using the most recent version. Rather, I look for products there are mid-ranged, being not too old or too new.
The licensing fee is yearly.
Which other solutions did I evaluate?
I am currently evaluating other solutions to determine cost versus benefits. We don't need as many high-level features in our situation.
What other advice do I have?
If you have a large company and you have enough money, you should implement Cisco because it's the best solution. However, if you are in the middle to low range then it is better to look for another, more budget-friendly solution. In Isreal, the government has Cisco licenses.
Also, if the service that you are providing is not a high-level service and has normal features to access the internet, I suggest the middle to low range products.
Overall, I am happy with Cisco Wireless and the main concern that I have is with the price.
I would rate this solution a nine out of ten.
Which deployment model are you using for this solution?
On-premises
Disclosure: My company does not have a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer.
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Coordinator of the IT Department at College Notre-Dame
Worked well over the span of a decade, but necessary upgrades were too expensive
Pros and Cons
- "Overall, Cisco was stable and worked well for all our needs until we started having more and more students and teachers using YouTube and Zoom — what with classes being isolated and everything — which put a lot of strain on our Wi-Fi network."
- "The biggest reason why we could no longer continue with Cisco Wireless was because of the high cost to upgrade everything. It was disappointing that Cisco treated us as just another big company, and did not offer any leeway on their pricing given that we are an educational institute. And although the system we had in place from Cisco Wireless was good enough over the last ten years, it started to show its age when pushed to its limit during the pandemic."
What is our primary use case?
Until we switched to Ruckus about a month ago, we had used Cisco Wireless products for the past ten years at our school of about 1800 students and 250 employees, including the teachers. The teachers and students all use iPads so wireless (Wi-Fi) is a big part of our network.
We used Cisco for everything, including wired switches, wireless switches, the core switch, etc. For the wireless network we used Cisco WiSM, which is the old version of Cisco's wireless controller. Since we had used this Cisco equipment for so long and it was showing its age, we ultimately decided it was time for us to renew everything along with all the new features that are now available.
What is most valuable?
I enjoyed Cisco's Meraki MDM which we already had installed, even though at the end of the day it was too expensive for us to continue in that direction when upgrading.
Overall, Cisco was stable and worked well for all our needs until we started having more and more students and teachers using YouTube and Zoom — what with classes being isolated and everything — which put a lot of strain on our Wi-Fi network.
What needs improvement?
The biggest reason why we could no longer continue with Cisco Wireless was because of the high cost to upgrade everything. It was disappointing that Cisco treated us as just another big company, and did not offer any leeway on their pricing given that we are an educational institute. And although the system we had in place from Cisco Wireless was good enough over the last ten years, it started to show its age when pushed to its limit during the pandemic.
Generally, and this isn't so much a question of support, it was also very difficult for us to determine exactly what the problem was when we had a problem. We didn't have enough tools for diagnosis on the system, in terms of identifying who is connected where at a certain point in time and so on. We would have liked more tools when it comes to diagnosis and traceability.
For how long have I used the solution?
I've used Cisco Wireless for over ten years.
What do I think about the stability of the solution?
The Cisco system worked well before, for many years. It was only after we started having capacity issues that we found the stability was suffering.
What do I think about the scalability of the solution?
Along with the isolation measures, students and teachers started using Zoom and video sites like YouTube much more, which is when the wireless system started to show its limits.
After ten years of having the same system, we essentially started again from scratch when it came to upgrading. We looked into scaling up with Cisco Wireless, but unfortunately it would have been too expensive for us.
How are customer service and technical support?
We didn't have much contact with Cisco technical support. The consultants would do the job for us, and the only time we needed them afterwards was when we had a problem with our Wi-Fi controllers.
We had two controllers for high availability and when we realized that the second one was not working, we contacted support. Unfortunately, we didn't have SMARTnet for it, so we ordered SMARTnet to be able to exchange the device, and they said we just renewed the SMARTnet so we had a penalty of one month without the second controller.
We did not appreciate the way they handled it, because even though it wasn't a lot of money to them as a big company, it was a lot of money to us. I don't believe that was the right way for them to behave, especially with a school. We would have teachers come and tell us, "What's going on with the Wi-Fi? It doesn't work." But I couldn't really tell them, "It's a Cisco resource," and all that.
Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?
Actually, we have now switched to Ruckus only about a month ago. After evaluating the costs for upgrading the entire wireless network, we found that it would have been too expensive for us to continue with Cisco Wireless.
What about the implementation team?
For deployment and maintenance we had three technicians and we also had support from our consulting company. We actually changed consulting companies twice, and we used them mainly for making updates and changing the setups.
With the most recent consulting company, we unfortunately lost contact with them and didn't have the documentation to finish the job that they had started.
What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?
The licensing system is very rigid. I work for a school and we are just treated like big companies. At some point, there's a limit to what we can do about that.
I can't remember what we paid for the equipment, though in the end we bought some extra switches from an aftermarket company. We started doing our own replacing of equipment, which we didn't really use. The SMARTnet contract was only for the core switch and the Wi-Fi controllers, and we didn't go that way for the rest of the equipment.
If we had, it would have cost something around $2000-$3000 per switch, and we have 30 of them, so it wouldn't have been affordable for us.
What other advice do I have?
The best advice I can give is to always get a second opinion. When I arrived six years ago, we had way too many access points, and the density was causing a lot of interference. It was only after removing some access points that we had better Wi-Fi. When asked, the school said that they had originally added more access points because the Cisco technicians told them to.
I would rate Cisco Wireless a seven out of ten.
Which deployment model are you using for this solution?
On-premises
Disclosure: My company does not have a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer.
Network Engineer at a retailer with 10,001+ employees
Reliable, high scalability, and handles thousands of connection simultaneously
Pros and Cons
- "We are using Cisco access point 2802, and they are very reliable."
- "The stability could improve, there are some issues. We were told the version of the software we are using on all of the controllers is best for Cisco IOS, but we might need to update our software, this might fix the stability issues we are experiencing."
What is our primary use case?
We use the solution for a corporate Wi-Fi network and we have another network for authentication for corporate devices, such as scales or hand scanners. These devices must have access to some internal resources and do not need accessing to the internet.
We have hardware controllers on our sites and a number of access points all over. The number is up to 25 currently.
What is most valuable?
We are using Cisco access point 2802, and they are very reliable. We have a number of those access points all over our network, approximately 550. I have been working with this company for about a year and the project was deployed a year before. The access points have been working now for two years without one failure.
What needs improvement?
In general, the solution completely meets our needs. However, the wireless controllers themselves could be more reliable. When they work in high availability mode, we have had some issues with them. Sometimes the cluster dissipates, the primary controller fails and the secondary does not completely switch on reducing functionality.
For how long have I used the solution?
I have been using the solution for approximately one year.
What do I think about the stability of the solution?
The stability could improve, there are some issues. We were told the version of the software we are using on all of the controllers is best for Cisco IOS, but we might need to update our software. Doing so might fix the stability issues we are experiencing.
What do I think about the scalability of the solution?
The solution is scalable. There are approximately 3,000 users using the solution simultaneously in the supermarket network and it can scale upwards to 100,000.
What about the implementation team?
We have a partner that helps us with the solution's deployment and maintenance. In general, we have three technicians that help with the solution but if we run into more complex situations we contact Oracle.
What other advice do I have?
We are using the Wireless Controller 3504 on Wi-Fi 5.
If they work on fixing the reliability of the solution we will be fine using the product in the future.
I rate Cisco Wireless an eight out of ten.
Which deployment model are you using for this solution?
On-premises
Disclosure: My company does not have a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer.
Gerente División Plataforma at Sonda S.A.
Stable with good basic features and extremely scalable
Pros and Cons
- "The initial setup is pretty straightforward."
- "In Latin America, Cisco is very expensive in comparison to other technologies."
What is our primary use case?
We are primarily using the solution for wireless connectivity and expedience.
What is most valuable?
The basic features of the solution are excellent.
The product has very good internet and internal systems for general applications.
Technical support is pretty good.
We've found the product to be fairly stable.
The solution can scale.
The initial setup is pretty straightforward.
What needs improvement?
For the customer, it would be ideal if the solution had more global reach. It's a bit complicated to explain, however.
The documentation can be a bit confusing. It would be better if it was easier to follow.
We're hoping that the solution will work well with 5G.
In Latin America, Cisco is very expensive in comparison to other technologies.
For how long have I used the solution?
I've been using the solution for maybe one year at this point.
What do I think about the stability of the solution?
The solution is very stable. There are issues with bugs or glitches. It's reliable. It doesn't crash or freeze at all.
What do I think about the scalability of the solution?
The solution is extremely scalable. Cisco makes it very easy for a company to expand the offering if they need to. It's a good selling feature.
How are customer service and technical support?
I would say 60% of the technical support team are very experienced in the solution. They are quite good to work with, for the most part. We're quite satisfied with the level of support we get from them. That said, I wish that the documentation provided by the company could be better.
How was the initial setup?
The initial setup is not complex at all. Cisco makes the implementation very, very easy.
I'm not an IT technician and therefore don't know exactly how long a deployment takes. I don't install the solution personally by myself.
What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?
The cost of the solution is quite high in our region. It would be better if they could take cost into consideration in Latin America to make it more reasonable for local companies.
What other advice do I have?
We're a partner with Cisco. We aren't just a customer.
Overall, I would rate the solution eight out of ten. If it was more reasonably priced for the local market, I might create it a bit higher.
Disclosure: My company has a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer. Partner
Network Architect at Summa Health System
Great support, very stable, and offers great functionality
Pros and Cons
- "The support offered by Cisco is excellent. They are very responsive and knowledgeable."
- "Apple is definitely causing a lot of issues by turning on more security features on its equipment. It is causing more problems on the business side. One is what they call a randomized Mac address that Apple has put out. As far as I know, Cisco doesn't have a fix for that."
What is our primary use case?
We primarily use the solution for our handheld devices. We have about 30 most likely that are medical hand-held devices. We do have a lot of wireless devices out there, including carts. We've got Vocera Badges that we use.
What is most valuable?
The support offered by Cisco is excellent. They are very responsive and knowledgeable.
The functionality of the solution is very good.
What needs improvement?
The most difficult part of the solution is us juggling everything. There are eight access points that we have to deal with. They have a tendency to age out. After five years, they go off sale. Then, five years after that, that they're out of support. Usually, when you get a new access point, we have to get to a certain version to get everything to work. However, on top of that, the ones we had 10 years ago are no longer functioning. They make it a complicated battle to try to keep your equipment at proper revisions, all at the time. They kind of force you to upgrade now.
Apple is definitely causing a lot of issues by turning on more security features on its equipment. It is causing more problems on the business side. One is what they call a randomized Mac address that Apple has put out. As far as I know, Cisco doesn't have a fix for that. In other words, it's there to protect the end-user when they're on a guest network or they use randomized Mac addresses. We were trying to implement an employee group that would track the individual via the Mac. Now that it's rotating, we don't have a way to configure that.
I need to figure out how to handle security features that product lines have that offer a non-standard type of security feature that is being turned on constantly by different vendors. iPad also gives us isses. They have it set up so that you don't see the Mac address and the wireless at all. You can't even track your device anymore. I just discovered that last week.
For how long have I used the solution?
We've been using the solution for about 15 years at this point It's been a good long while.
What do I think about the stability of the solution?
The solution is pretty solid in terms of stability. Out of a rating of ten, I would give them a nine. It's reliable and doesn't crash or freeze. It's not buggy at all.
What do I think about the scalability of the solution?
I would describe the solution as scalable. If a company needs to grow it out they can do so pretty easily.
How are customer service and technical support?
We're big fans of technical support. It's one of the solution's big selling features. We've very satisfied with the level of support they provide us.
Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?
I also have experience with Aruba. I'd say that Cisco is a bit more complicated to set up.
That said, we went to Cisco from day one - even before they had wireless controllers. Cisco is our go-to solution.
How was the initial setup?
The initial setup is probably a little bit more complex than Aruba from what I've seen so far. It's not simple per se.
What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?
I don't handle the pricing. I don't have it in front of me. I'm not sure what the monthly costs are for our organization.
What other advice do I have?
We're just a customer.
The solution is fairly up-to-date, however, we aren't using the most recent version of the solution right now.
Overall, I'd rate the solution nine out of ten. We've used it for years and it's worked quite well for us with very little issues to speak of.
Disclosure: My company does not have a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer.
Group IT Manager at a wholesaler/distributor with 10,001+ employees
Good connectivity and cross-customization make it user friendly and accessible
Pros and Cons
- "Good connectivity and easy to configure."
- "Controllers could be improved."
What is our primary use case?
We are customers of Cisco and I'm an enterprise architect.
What is most valuable?
I like the connectivity of this solution. We have a pretty good team working on the product. They are quick and the solution is fairly easy to configure. Customization is not a problem because all products can be customized or cross-customized.
What needs improvement?
I would like to see an improvement in the controllers of the solution. I would ideally like to have software defined WiFi as an additional feature, everything connected with LVMs, so basically to define networking; ADPs which would define the perimeter and a combination of PSDN and WAN, etc. I would also like to see the use of the PE market and functions. Authentication and authorization processes for guest users would also be a good additional feature.
For how long have I used the solution?
I've been working with Cisco for over five years.
What do I think about the scalability of the solution?
This solution is extremely scalable. If we're talking about any solution that has a cloud-based infrastructure, I assume it's scalable and as a network architect I don't need to worry. If the solution is on-prem, like we have now, I have to worry about a potentially slow infrastructure, network, interfaces, capacity. On cloud, the only concern is internet connectivity. We have over 30,000 employees and they are all end users.
How are customer service and technical support?
We use a third-party company that we cooperate with for our technical support, WiFi and for our network.
How was the initial setup?
In general, the setup is quite straightforward although with our factory site configuration, it was more complex. The setup took some time as we're a website company so everything here takes time! It's not a one day implementation, probably closer to a week for the end-to-end installation.
What other advice do I have?
I would rate this solution an eight out of 10.
Which deployment model are you using for this solution?
On-premises
Disclosure: My company does not have a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer.
Sr. System Analyst at NSUT
Has good durability, we can rely on this solution and it is easy to configure
Pros and Cons
- "The feature that I have found most valuable is its durability because we can rely on this solution. It is also easy to configure. Lastly, if something happens, we get good support from Cisco."
- "One thing which we really don't like about Cisco is that it is very expensive."
What is our primary use case?
We use it to provide wireless access to our students, faculty, and non-teaching staff because we are a university, an educational institution. I am one of the non-teaching staff who takes care of the networking side.
What is most valuable?
The feature that I have found most valuable is its durability because we can rely on this solution. It is also easy to configure. Lastly, if something happens, we get good support from Cisco.
What needs improvement?
One thing which we really don't like about Cisco is that it is very expensive. If we compare it to other brands like Ruckus or Aruba, it seems to be almost double in price. So that is a major concern. Recently, I have been looking for something comparable to Cisco which is a lower price.
Cost is a major area because if you look at the technical features with other solutions, they seem to be the same in every feature, with no big differences. For example, if you support a 1.5k ACL with two parallel lines, others are supporting 2,000. It's not a major difference, but it is there. I think you can show that it as at par with the competitors.
I would say that the product is best-in-class. The only thing is the price because whether you're a government institution or a private organization, everyone looks for the best price. If we just compare to the competitors on the financial side and we have to pay twice, then it's very difficult for us to go for something even if we know it is very good. So the price should be much less.
Another improvement Cisco Wireless could make is if they provided a calculation document or study on requirements for wall thickness, signal range, switch location, etc.
Additionally, I think it is already very advanced and potentially supports 5G. That is perfectly fine, but it would be good if they could increase their signal strength, because sometimes we face difficulty getting signals, even from a wifi access point in the next room. This goes hand-in-hand with the document I mentioned calculating the range area of the product, etc. There are international standards and/or limitations on that.
For how long have I used the solution?
I personally have been using Cisco for a only few years, since I was hired, but my institution has been using it for around seven or eight years.
What do I think about the stability of the solution?
The stability is good.
For wireless, I would say it is good. But when we were using the Cisco firewall we found some difficulties setting up and our internet was breaking up or something like that. But from a wireless point of view, it is fine.
Also, one point which just came to my mind about Cisco is if we could have some kind of calculation for the access points because then maybe we could make a web off of all of them. "How much of that access point is required. This access point is covering this much area." If we can have that kind of information it would be easier for us to calculate the capacity.
What do I think about the scalability of the solution?
It is scalable. We are currently looking at the scalability so that we can provide the infrastructure to some other blocks, as well. I haven't tried it yet or discovered what problems I'm going to face, but I think that it should be able to scale. I think we will be able to do that, but I'm not sure right now.
During peak time, there are around 5,000 or 6,000 users. Now, in COVID-19-like situations, there are maybe a hundred or 200.
We don't have any plans to just switch to another product because we don't have that flexibility. We will just go for open tendering. We will make some generic technical aspects of the product and throw it in the market. Everyone will be invited. We can't just ask for Cisco only. That's why I was worried about their price because if they are the most expensive we will not pay them if they qualify.
How was the initial setup?
The initial setup is not that difficult, it is just technical. For example, if I am looking to set up Cisco, then I should have the skills required to install it. So I would say that the setup is fine. It does not need to be changed. In fact, the product which we have has a controller on our premise that Cisco is now offering to our controllers for switches. So I think this concern is handled over there because controlling through the cloud is a little easier than this centralized controller product, particularly for an institution or organization.
What other advice do I have?
I would say that it's a good solution. Everything is there and I have nothing to point out.
I would definitely recommend this product, but at the same time, I would say that they should bring their price down.
Like every solution, it has pros and cons. It's just part of the process.
On a scale of one to ten, I would rate Cisco Wireless a nine. From the product side, I would rate it nine, but if you ask me about the return on investment, I would probably say a six or seven because the investment is huge here.
Which deployment model are you using for this solution?
On-premises
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