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Senior Consultant at a recruiting/HR firm with 51-200 employees
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The recovery plans and customization options are great. I also the love the re-protect feature for easier fallback.

What is most valuable?

The recovery plans and customization options. I also the love the re-protect feature for easier fallback.

How has it helped my organization?

We were able to migrate 100 virtual servers to our St. Louis office with very little downtime.

What needs improvement?

I would like to see the database come built-in to the product. I would also prefer to the SRM server come as a virtual appliance instead of a windows vm. I would also like to see a way to control bandwidth usage.

For how long have I used the solution?

3 years.

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What was my experience with deployment of the solution?

No, the process is very well documented.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

No, but you need to have a good understanding of your bandwidth between sites. SRM does not have a native way to throttle bandwidth usage.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

No.

How are customer service and support?

Customer Service:

Excellent.

Technical Support:

Excellent.

Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?

We looked at various types of solutions like Veeam, DoubleTake and Neverfail.

How was the initial setup?

It was very straightforward.

What about the implementation team?

In-house.

What was our ROI?

We were able to reduce the cost of our overall DR infrastructure while increase our recovery time. We are seeing a 25% return.

Which other solutions did I evaluate?

Yes, Veeam, Neverfail and DoubleTake.

What other advice do I have?

Take the time to understand your change rate of your servers, your bandwidth capabilities and the recovery objects for your DR plan.

Disclosure: My company does not have a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer.
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SRM - standard disaster recovery for VMware

Most VMware administrators have heard of Site Recovery Manager (SRM). SRM has been the standard in disaster recovery for some time. It plays into VMware’s parent company’s (EMC) product line, traditionally leveraging storage based replication. This architecture leverages write journaling technology we spoke of in our first article in the series, so Recovery Time Objectives (RTOs) and Recovery Point Objectives (RPOs) could be very aggressive.

The down side to this architecture is that the customer has to have similar storage arrays at both the production and disaster recovery site. If for example the customer had a fiber channel array on the production side, and a lower grade NFS array from a different vendor on the other side SRM was not compatible Bummer…

VMware however released vSphere replication in the vSphere 5 family suite and allowed administrators to replicate their virtual machines without common storage subsystems. What this means is that you could have your traditional fibre channel SAN on the production side, and NFS, or internal storage on your disaster recovery site. The underlying storage type is completely irrelevant as long as the workload is supported. This is a gift for DR budgets everywhere. Additionally you can recover to previous points in time using snapshots at the recovery site much the same as you would use a traditional snapshot.

SRM in thie configuration sits on top of the vSphere replication instead of RPAs that are common in array to array based architectures. These replication appliances are Linux virtual machines that are deployed in the VMware environment. I will give VMware a large amount of credit here, where some competing technologies are cumbersome to install, vSphere replication installation takes only a few mouse clicks. Your vSphere replication appliances are functional in just a few minutes. Replication can be configured through the VMware fat client or the web client.

So what’s the catch? vSphere replication would fall into the snap and replicate category. This means that RTOs and RPOs wont be as aggressive as with array to array based replciation, or hypervisor technologies that use write journaling. The current RTOs and RPOs that can be achieved by vSphere replication with SRM over vSphere replication is 15 minutes. There are rumors that this will be coming down to 5 minutes in the future, but it’s only a rumor at this point. Also if you are trying to move to the web client then you will dismayed to learn that SRM can still only be managed through the VMware fat client. I don’t know to many administrators that are excited about the web client, but it’s a relevant piece of information for your day to day work.

So what about the licensing and additional costs? There are pros and cons to the vSphere replication / SRM model.

The virtual appliances are Linux based – pro

This means there aren’t additional Windows licenses required to operate the environment. Some of the other products use Windows based virtual appliances. When you have to stand up more Windows servers you have to patch and manage them, this adds to the cost of the solution. SRM can generally be installed on your Windows system that vCenter runs on. If you’re using the Linux based vCenter appliance SRM isn’t compatable. I would expect this to be resolved soon as VMware is trying to eliminate the need for Windows systems in the environment.

The base vSphere replication is free – pro

Yes you heard that correct, vSphere replication is free. If you have lower priority virtual machines you don’t have to buy SRM licenses. This means you can save money and buy only the SRM licenses (sold in packs of 25) for your mission critical VMs.

SRM is the orchestration tool on top of vSpherer replication – nutural

SRM and all of it’s power can be scoped down to only the systems you need it for. I personally like the flexability and choice, most companies don’t need to replicate all of their virtual machines with very tight RTOs and RPOs. If you are trying to replicate your entire VMware environment, you maybe better off with a solution that licenses by socket as it maybe more cost effective.

Snap and replicate technology – con

At the end of the day snap and replicate technologies are limited. Because the recovered virtual machine ends up with snapshots scalability can be an issue. Let’s look at an example.

VMware recommends that you only have 21 snapshots at a maximum using vSphere replication. More snapshots than this can lead to snapshot consolidation issues. If you wanted to have a recovery point every hour, you wouldn’t be able to recover your virtual machine to a point further back than 21 hours. This a limitation of any snaphost based replication technology not a defiency with in SRM or vSphere replication.

Scalability – neutral

The upper limit to SRM with vSphere replication is 1000 virtual machines. This will suit most enterprises; however, for very large scale deployments this may not be enough. SRM with storage array replication for example can support up to 1500 vitual machines. This limit is roughly about what you would get with any other snap and replication technology. In my personal experience Veeam starts to have problems after 300 virtual machines in a single instance.

Speaking of Veeam this is the next technology that we will discuss. Veeam is a good product that not only provides DR capabilities, but also a very mature backup solution. Join us for our next article in the series.

Originally published here: https://simplecontinuity.com/dr-for-vmware-srm-on-vsphere-replication/

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it_user174999VMware NSX T/V Consulting Engineer /Solutions Architect at Onebox Solutions
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Nice article - I recently have been looking at Vsan as a viable option for lab POC. Some DRaaS customers have a need to replicate/recover specific workloads outside of the SRM protected groups so they can control failover testing. In real world I do not see many customers using vsphere native replication in conjunction with SRA San layer replication. Vsan requires 3 host Minimum and works with vsphere replication.

Vsphere replication nice free to use pro for sure. Limited use cases as far as enterprise production recovery. Perhaps vsphere replication and vsan combination is low cost future of DRaaS?

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VMware SRM vs. Veeam vs. Zerto

Disaster recovery planning is something that seems challenging for all businesses. Virtualization in addition to its operational flexibility, and cost reduction benefits, has helped companies improve their DR posture. Virtualization has made it easier to move machines from production to recovery sites, but many of the disaster recovery tools today still function at the storage layer. Legacy technologies like storage array snapshots, and LUN based replication restrict the configuration options of upstream technologies like VMware Storage DRS. If you wanted to replicate a virtual machine you had to replicate the entire LUN is resided on. You weren’t free to leverage Storage DRS for its automated performance balancing features because a VM could be migrated from one LUN mucking up your storage based replication.

Fortunately over the past few years there’s been great advancement in hypervisor based replication technologies. There’s a wealth of competing products vying for customer attention. As always competition drives innovation and value for the consumer. This will be the first of a 4 part blog series that looks at various hypervisor based disaster recovery products. Note this isn’t a review of backup products which is a separate category, we are looking at products specifically designed to assist companies in a disaster scenario.

Before talking about products; however, we should understand their underlying architectures, and how it relates to their storage based predecessors. Like storage based technologies hypervisor based replication technologies currently come in two flavors:

Snap and replicate

Write journaling

These technologies should be very familiar to storage administrators. Write journaling is a newer technology, and the market leader is currently EMC’s Recover Point product. Different storage arrays all have slightly different terms for snap and replicate technologies, but the principals are the same. It’s important to understand this because the technologies will dictate how tightly you can define your recovery time objectives (RTOs) and recovery point objectives (RPOs).

First we will cover snap and replicate technologies. Snap and replicate at the hypervisor level works similarly to its storage counterpart. Instead of taking a snapshot of a storage LUN on a scheduled basis VMware takes a snapshot of the virtual machine’s disks on a scheduled basis. This allows products to copy those disks off of the primary storage media to a secondary location. A nice benefit about using VMware snap and replicate technologies is that you can use completely different types of storage systems on the product and DR systems. You can you and enterprise class SAN in the production datacenter, and internal storage if desired at the disaster recovery location. As long as the storage subsystem is supported by VMware, and has the proper performance characteristics the technology works. Typically a technology called change block tracking keeps track of any data that may change during the backup window.

Write splitting is the second technology we will examine. Like snap and replicate technologies write splitting at the hypervisor level doesn’t require the same storage type at the primary and secondary sites. Write splitting at the hypervisor level is a fairly new technology, but it’s been developed by the same team that developed write splitting at the storage layer. When I evaluate a technology I like to know there’s a history of success from the team that’s created it.

Virtual machine write journaling works differently than storage based write journaling. Instead of having a physical appliance that sits in front of your storage arrays the write splitting occurs inside the ESXi kernel. Because the technology is splitting every write there are some significant technical benefits. As a general rule snap and replicate technologies can in best case scenarios only achieve 15 minutes RTOs and RPOs. White journaling under best case scenarios can deliver RTOs and RPOs from 5 to 10 seconds.

While there is certainly an RTO and RPO benefit to the write journaling technology there are other things to consider. Hero numbers are great for the marketing team, but anyone who’s worked in operations knows what really matters about the product generally isn’t on a spec sheet. All of the products we will talk about work differently, but they all seek to achieve the same result. The supporting infrastructure and associated management costs for all of these products is critical.

Every technology we’re examining works on a management server / replication server architecture. Some of these packages use Windows proxies while other products use Linux based proxies. Consider if you’re planning a massive DR project what if there are dozens of Windows licenses you have to account for, time to patch and manage those virtual machines, etc. If you fall into the scope of PCI you will most likely be required to manage anti-virus, and some sort of log monitoring on all those windows servers; whereas, on Linux systems anti-virus is more of an “option” according to PCI. Also Linux has native syslog capabilities built in whereas Windows does not. All of these factors can add to or reduce the total cost of ownership of a disaster recovery product.

Through the rest of this series we will look at three products that are the leaders in the disaster recovery space for VMware.

VMware SRM running (on top of vSphere replication)

Veeam Backup and Recovery

Zerto Virtual Replication

Without saying another factor to consider is price for the solution. Generally the tighter the RTO and RPO the solution provides the more expensive it will be. However list pricing isn’t always cut and dry when considering total cost of owner ship added to the cost of potential gains in RTO and RPO. In addition various software vendors pricing models lend them to a specific virtual machine configuration. If you have a virtual environment with fewer larger servers product X maybe more favorable from a cost perspective. If you have a virtual environment with smaller server product Y’s pricing model maybe more favorable.

View the above chart of the quick and dirty of the three technologies we will be diving into over the next few weeks in our series.

Disaster recovery is a challenging project, but thankfully there are more options than ever for businesses to select from. Many of them are technically sound and will accomplish business goals. Many times it comes down to selecting the right architecture and price model for your business.

Originally published here: https://simplecontinuity.com/disaster-recovery-for-vmware

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A user-friendly hybrid solution for DR

What is our primary use case?

We use the solution for DR.

What is most valuable?

We use the LDM component within our government. Additionally, SRM, a leading VMware product, is user-friendly and supports all our requirements.

What needs improvement?

There could be an integration between VMware SRM and Nutanix products, which can benefit many users.

For how long have I used the solution?

I have been using VMware SRM since last year.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

There is a minimum downtime.

I rate the solution’s stability a ten out of ten.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

The solution’s scalability is good.

2000 users are using this solution.

I rate the solution’s scalability a ten out of ten.

How are customer service and support?

Whenever we have an issue or need help, we raise it directly to VMware.

How would you rate customer service and support?

Positive

How was the initial setup?

The initial setup is simple.

What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?

I rate the product’s pricing a five out of ten, where one is cheap, and ten is expensive.

What other advice do I have?

We have a cloud environment that requires disaster recovery capabilities. We utilize HZX to extend layer two connectivity and leverage Site Recovery Manager (SRM) for replication.

I recommend the solution to other users.

Overall, I rate the solution a ten out of ten.

Which deployment model are you using for this solution?

Hybrid Cloud
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Exceptional customer service, effective backup feature, and simple installation
Pros and Cons
  • "The most valuable features are the backup and disaster recovery services."
  • "VMware Cloud Disaster Recovery could improve by enhancing the network bandwidth from the storage."

What is our primary use case?

We use VMware Cloud Disaster Recovery as a disaster recovery service and backup as a service.

What is most valuable?

The most valuable features are the backup and disaster recovery services.

What needs improvement?

VMware Cloud Disaster Recovery could improve by enhancing the network bandwidth from the storage.

In a future release, I would like to see new functionality or current feature enhancements.

For how long have I used the solution?

I have been using VMware Cloud Disaster Recovery for a few years.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

I have found VMware Cloud Disaster Recovery to be stable.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

The scalability of VMware Cloud Disaster Recovery is very good.

We have customers in the medium to large-scale enterprise companies.

How are customer service and support?

The technical support provided by VMware is one of the best I have used.

Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?

I have used many similar solutions to VMware Cloud Disaster Recovery, such as Veeam and Citrix.

How was the initial setup?

The installation is normally simple for users to fully implement.

What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?

The price of VMware Cloud Disaster Recovery should be lowered in order to compete better in the market.

What other advice do I have?

I rate VMware Cloud Disaster Recovery a nine out of ten.

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Straightforward to set up with good components and good scalability
Pros and Cons
  • "Technical support is very proactive and helpful."
  • "It would be ideal if they added advanced analytics or AI to the solution."

What is our primary use case?

We are not an end-user. We are a solutions provider to companies.

What is most valuable?

All of its components are very competitive compared to other solutions. The application, the DR health check, and the scale-out file system are all great. They tailored a lot of technology in the VCDR, which is good. It's a very good solution overall.

The initial setup is very straightforward. 

The solution is stable. 

Technical support is very proactive and helpful.

The solution has proven to be easily scalable. 

What needs improvement?

They need to have their own cloud, however, unfortunately, since the solution has been acquired by VMware, I doubt that will be happening.

It is impossible to acquire Datrium data nodes, unfortunately.

It would be ideal if they added advanced analytics or AI to the solution.

For how long have I used the solution?

We've been working with the solution since before Datrium was acquired by VMware. 

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

In terms of stability, recently, we encountered an issue, however, it has been addressed immediately by support. It's now resolved. For the most part, the solution is stable. 

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

The scalability is pretty good. We just have to ask for additional space. Eventually, it will be guaranteed on demand.

There are many users on the solution. It's a big organization.

How are customer service and technical support?

One of the good things about the solution is that it has very proactive support there. They are helpful and responsive and we are pleased with the level of assistance they offer.

Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?

We did not previously use a different solution. 

How was the initial setup?

The solution is very straightforward and easy to set up. The deployment is quick and easy. In our experience, the solution only takes four hours to deploy. 

What about the implementation team?

We're integrators and therefore can implement the solution for our clients. 

Which other solutions did I evaluate?

We looked at other solutions, however, the product is a very good technology. We have seen its many advantages as compared to other solutions. For example, the solution has been HCI disaggregated.

What other advice do I have?

I'm not sure which version of the solution we're using. 

We're an integrator. Our clients use the solution. We are not end-users. 

I'd rate the solution at a ten out of ten.

Which deployment model are you using for this solution?

On-premises
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User-friendly software with good technical support services
Pros and Cons
  • "It has a good and effective user interface."
  • "The product's stability could be better."

What is our primary use case?

We use the product to implement discovery for server and database solutions.

What is most valuable?

The software is user-friendly. It has a good and effective user interface.

What needs improvement?

The product's stability could be better.

For how long have I used the solution?

We have been using VMware SRM for eight years.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

I rate the product's stability an eight out of ten. Sometimes, we need to restart the system as it stops working. It needs improvement.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

We have 400 VMware SRM users in our organization. I rate its scalability a ten out of ten.

How are customer service and support?

The technical support services are good.

How was the initial setup?

The initial setup is straightforward. We need to download the application file and deploy it in vCentre Server. Later, we need to register a static manager to create a bridge between two environments. After that, we check if the static environment is configured with the data centers.

What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?

The software is expensive. There is a one-time cost involved in purchasing the license.

What other advice do I have?

I recommend VMware SRM to others and rate it a ten out of ten. I advise other users to always install the latest version.

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Setup easy, cost is good, with integrated replication
Pros and Cons
  • "The initial setup is easy depending on the environment you are working with."
  • "When starting up the replication and converting it to the virtual machine I had some problems. I had to start the process again and that is inconvenient."

What is our primary use case?

The primary use for us is to replicate without automatization.

What is most valuable?

The AC replication is integrated with a software base, set up cost, and easy installation and configuration.

What needs improvement?

When starting up the replication and converting it to the virtual machine I had some problems. I had to start the process again and that is inconvenient.

For how long have I used the solution?

I have been using VMware Disaster Recovery for the past five years.

How was the initial setup?

The initial setup is easy depending on the environment you are working with.

What other advice do I have?

I would rate Speaker VMware Disaster Recovery a ten out of ten.

Which deployment model are you using for this solution?

On-premises
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